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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 07:38:32
Subject: Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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FINALLY starting to get back into the game. Decided to go for Blood Angels; I like fast armies, I don't like spending $Texas on metal bawkses. Seemed to fit the bill.
So, four lists. I have no idea what the local meta is; I just moved back to Memphis, and I only have two weeks before the first tournament, so not a lot of time to playtest.
1000pt:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
Elite: 2x Sanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Hand Flamer, Power Weapon - 200
Troops: 3x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon & Meltabombs - 225 (675)
Notes: Seems like a pretty solid core. Hand flamers & meltabombs are just there to fill up points, but maybe they'll come in handy.
1250pt:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
HQ: Honor Guard, Jump Packs - 165
Elite: Sanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Power Weapon - 90
Troops: 3x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon - 220 (660)
Troops: 10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns - 205
Notes: Honor Guard get me basically a free Priest; I figure free is good. Other alternatives would be saccing five Assault Marines from the fourth troops unit to get them some gear.
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
HQ: Honor Guard, Jump Packs, 2 Meltaguns - 195
Elite: Sanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Power Weapon - 100
Elite: Sanguinary Guard - 200
Troops: 3x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon - 220 (660)
Troops: 10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Fist - 230
Notes: Sanguinary Guard lack an invuln, which worries me, but they murderate whatever they decide to kill and the models are boss. Should probably playtest before I buy the models, but that won't be for two months, so I've got time to figure that one out. Fist is there in case I screw up and get charged by a dread or MC.
2000:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
HQ: Honor Guard, Jump Packs, 2 Meltaguns, 2 Power Weapons - 225
Elite: Sanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Power Weapon - 90
Elite: Sanguinary Guard, Chapter Banner - 230
Troops: 4x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon - 220 (880)
Troops: 10 Assault Marines, 2 Flamers, Sgt w/Fist - 220
Troops: 10 Assault Marines, 1 Meltagun, 1 Flamer, Sgt w/Fist - 225
Notes: Flamers are handy for hordes, and I figure with jump packs I have decent odds of being able to pop a transport and flame whatever comes out before charging. 11 meltas seems like it'd be enough, but if it isn't I can move some stuff around. Flamers are being added at the last stage of escalation, so I figure I can sort of see where everyone else is going and go for more meltas if it's necessary.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 00:42:33
Subject: Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I'm assuming my lists are either incredibly good or incredibly bad.
Comments? Anything? Bueller?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 03:02:06
Subject: Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Been Around the Block
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honor guard are waste of points,i recommend in the 2000 point list use mephiston, I also recommend a reclusiarch w/ jump pack instead of Librarians (in the lower point lists) ,and no need for so many assault marines in the higher point lists, use furioso dreds with blood talons in a drop pod, and i have found terminators in land raiders always demolish the enemies hope i have heleped
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/01/16 03:04:04
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 06:54:11
Subject: Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I like the list. I think the honour guard drain your points. Your goal is to get across the board with as many marines as possible by 2/3 turn - do two turns of killing then move to objectives (easy kills for kill points) With the honour guard you are reducing your ability to do this (they will be picked on and they can only be in one place at a time).
You lack an ability to hold a 'home objective' if I were your opponent, I'd place as many objectives as possible close to (or in) your deployment zone - forcing you to hold back. Maybe replace one of you non-jump assault sqds for scouts and this will help you deal with this? (Although scouts are pretty average at holding an objective under pressure).
Back at my first point, getting across the board - your tactic to your opponent is fairly obvious - fly straight at him (hug terrain) and then get stuck in for some killing... he will focus all his firepower at you, and probably deploy spread out or as far away as possible. The addition of a drop pod dread will really stuff around his ability to target your marines. Keep him low in points (as he will draw the same amount of fire no matter what is on him) and watch as most of your opponents high strength weapons waste a turn blasting at your dread (who might survive)...only to be reminded that your real tactic was to swarm him with assault marines.
Flamers are great for getting troops in cover (which will be a common event) but also for transport popped troops.
Hope that helps?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 07:39:16
Subject: Re:Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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List one is a great start, except I think that Power Fists are pretty mandatory in Assault Squads, especially ones with Meltaguns. So, dump what you need to off the Sanguinary Priests to make that happen. Priests really don't need wargear except for a JP, so just give them wargear with any leftover points.
Moving on, I don't like the idea of an Honor Guard without special weapons. Without them, they're just an expensive Sanguinary Priest that's a little harder to kill in CC. If you run them, the consensus is either 4 Meltas, 4 Plasma, or 4 Meltas and 4 Flamers (it's legal). Giving them CC upgrades isn't a very good idea; it's too expensive to make them into a CC powerhouse, and if they aren't tooled up you don't want them CC.
Finally, consider working either Vanguard Veterans or Devastators into the list at higher points. Devs (with 4 Missile Launchers being the standard loadout) are a good way to open up transports; Vanguards are good counters to stuff like Long Fangs.
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Current Record: 5 Wins, 6 Draws, 3 Losses 2000 points
In Progress: 500 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/17 00:26:03
Subject: Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Reworked, based on comments from here and elsewhere:
Blood Angels Escalation League:
1000pt:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
Elite: 2x Sanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Power Weapon - 180
Troops: 10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon & Meltabombs - 225
Troops: 2x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Fist & Meltabombs - 235 (470)
1250pt:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
Elite: 2xSanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Power Weapon - 180
Troops: 10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon & Meltabombs - 225
Troops: 2x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Fist - 230 (460)
HS: 2x5 Devestators, 4ML - 130 (260)
1500pt:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
Elite: 2xSanguinary Priest, Jump Pack, Hand Flamer, Power Weapon - 200
Troops: 2x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon & Meltabombs - 225 (450)
Troops: 2x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Fist - 230 (460)
HS: 2x5 Devestators, 4ML - 130 (260)
2000pt:
HQ: Librarian, Jump Pack - 125
Elite: 2xSanguinary Priest, Jump Pack - 150
Elite: Sanguinary Guard, Chapter Banner - 230
Troops: 3x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Power Weapon - 220 (660)
Troops: 2x10 Assault Marines, 2 Meltaguns, Sgt w/Fist - 230 (460)
Troops: 5 Assault Marines, Sgt w/Power Weapon - 115
HS: 2x5 Devestators, 4ML - 130 (260)
Dropped the Honor Guard, dropped some wargear on Priests to get Fists from the get-go, picked up a couple of Dev squads with missiles. Did lose three meltas, but that seems like a fair trade for eight missile launchers.
I'm torn on the 5-man assault squad in the 2000pt list. I've half a mind to take a scout squad with camo cloaks and a locator beacon instead, which seems like it could be really, really nice for Descent of Angels shenanigans. Sanguinary Guard are still kicking around because I flat don't know what else I'd spend the points on; Vanguard, maybe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/17 08:19:31
Subject: Re:Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Looking pretty good now. For the 2000 point list, consider Vanguards or a 4 Melta, 4 Flamer Honor Guard.
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Current Record: 5 Wins, 6 Draws, 3 Losses 2000 points
In Progress: 500 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/22 08:32:53
Subject: Blood Angels Escalation League: Four Lists in One Post!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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what about scout bikers with locator beacon instead of sang guard?
I am making a similar build, but instead of the devs I am taking a dread, scouts, scout bikers and a land speed mix....
I just don't like the feel of dev's....
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