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Question is in title, as my studies into Warhammer 40k gain speed, and considering I know little to nothing about the Emperor, I was just wondering what his stance on Xenos were?

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Not very. During the Great Crusade many alien civilizations were wiped out and/or displaced. Also he planned to access the Webway and forcibly take it for humanity, effectively destroying the Eldar race in the process.

Really the only difference is while the Imperium justifies hatred of xenos with religion, the Emperor was a bit more logical about it and pointed to history. Indeed, it makes sense for mankind to be so hostile to alien races when you consider previously their experiences were with the Orks, Pre-Fall Eldar, and so on.

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He wasn't very happy with xenos races. I believe a lot of human populations were enslaved by alien races during Old Night.

   
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All Alien races must be killed on sight with no questions asked! Other than that pretty tolerant I guess.

 
   
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Thanks for the answers everyone!

"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus

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We know he hate Orks ( who don't hate barbarians who only want to destroy you and all of your friends ), but I am not sure for Eldar. Maybe he was not such xenophobic toward them, and little before the Heresy Eldar wanted to talk with him witch can indicate that they respect him in some way, unfortunately they run to Fulgrm who was already under the influence of Daemonsowrd and he return the guesture by killing every Eldar he could find and destroying few Exodite worlds.

You coudl say that he was xenophobic by pointing toward his sons who often fought aliens and destroy some species. But the truth is he had no real control lover his sons so they did what they wanted. I know a story where World Eaters together with Sons of Horus slaughtered entire city full of civilians when the planet refused to surrender. When the Ultramrines came to take garrison duty they were shocked by the state an report that to Guiliman. Don't know if Emperor did something, but beging that Angron was still doing what he did after that it points out that he cared little about that.

I personally think that his stance was bad xenos must kill, non-hostile ones are ok. But we will never know that, not unless he get's up from his throne ans start talking.

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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.


The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?

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Brother Coa wrote:We know he hate Orks ( who don't hate barbarians who only want to destroy you and all of your friends ), but I am not sure for Eldar. Maybe he was not such xenophobic toward them, and little before the Heresy Eldar wanted to talk with him witch can indicate that they respect him in some way, unfortunately they run to Fulgrm who was already under the influence of Daemonsowrd and he return the guesture by killing every Eldar he could find and destroying few Exodite worlds.

You coudl say that he was xenophobic by pointing toward his sons who often fought aliens and destroy some species. But the truth is he had no real control lover his sons so they did what they wanted. I know a story where World Eaters together with Sons of Horus slaughtered entire city full of civilians when the planet refused to surrender. When the Ultramrines came to take garrison duty they were shocked by the state an report that to Guiliman. Don't know if Emperor did something, but beging that Angron was still doing what he did after that it points out that he cared little about that.

I personally think that his stance was bad xenos must kill, non-hostile ones are ok. But we will never know that, not unless he get's up from his throne ans start talking.


No, "Suffer not the Alien to Live" includes non-hostile ones. In his opinion those ones are just bidding their time until they become hostile anyway.

 
   
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He was but he wasn't. He had no issues letting Xenos live... he just didn't want them living on his worlds.... We know that he certainly had communications with xenos (Eldrad supposedly attempted to warn him of the heresy) but we dont know if they were merely long distance pen-pals or if they played beer-pong on friday nights, dig?

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Eldrad is the only character in the 40k universe who knew the Emperor well enough and early enough on to know his actual name.

The Emperor seems to have been a bit more trusting of the Eldar than other Xenos races. Also remember the Emperor deceived everyone, even his own sos, about Chaos and the Webway (an creation of Xenos btw) so who knows what his true feelings were.

Ullanor would seem to suggest however that he had very little love of the Orks.

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chaos0xomega wrote:He was but he wasn't. He had no issues letting Xenos live... he just didn't want them living on his worlds.... We know that he certainly had communications with xenos (Eldrad supposedly attempted to warn him of the heresy) but we dont know if they were merely long distance pen-pals or if they played beer-pong on friday nights, dig?


Or maybe he ignored him cuz he's a god damn alien. You're right about him not wanting them on his worlds but forgot that all worlds belong to Humanity by his reckoning.

 
   
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From what I know, he was all about killing the xenos that kept Humans as slaves during the Age of Strife. After that, I have no idea...but I think the Big E's opinion was probably misconstrued into hating/killing all xenos after he was put into the Throne

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OverwatchCNC wrote:

Ullanor would seem to suggest however that he had very little love of the Orks.


A feeling very well justified. No race can get along with the Orks....

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:We know he hate Orks ( who don't hate barbarians who only want to destroy you and all of your friends ), but I am not sure for Eldar. Maybe he was not such xenophobic toward them, and little before the Heresy Eldar wanted to talk with him witch can indicate that they respect him in some way, unfortunately they run to Fulgrm who was already under the influence of Daemonsowrd and he return the guesture by killing every Eldar he could find and destroying few Exodite worlds.

You coudl say that he was xenophobic by pointing toward his sons who often fought aliens and destroy some species. But the truth is he had no real control lover his sons so they did what they wanted. I know a story where World Eaters together with Sons of Horus slaughtered entire city full of civilians when the planet refused to surrender. When the Ultramrines came to take garrison duty they were shocked by the state an report that to Guiliman. Don't know if Emperor did something, but beging that Angron was still doing what he did after that it points out that he cared little about that.

I personally think that his stance was bad xenos must kill, non-hostile ones are ok. But we will never know that, not unless he get's up from his throne ans start talking.


No, "Suffer not the Alien to Live" includes non-hostile ones. In his opinion those ones are just bidding their time until they become hostile anyway.

Hey the monkeys, Squats and a few other races that have allied the imperium would like to have a word with you...

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Harriticus wrote:
OverwatchCNC wrote:

Ullanor would seem to suggest however that he had very little love of the Orks.


A feeling very well justified. No race can get along with the Orks....


Not even the orks...

   
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If I remember correctly, he was not tolerant of aliens, but more tolerant of mutants and those who would be branded "Heretics"

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Asherian Command wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:We know he hate Orks ( who don't hate barbarians who only want to destroy you and all of your friends ), but I am not sure for Eldar. Maybe he was not such xenophobic toward them, and little before the Heresy Eldar wanted to talk with him witch can indicate that they respect him in some way, unfortunately they run to Fulgrm who was already under the influence of Daemonsowrd and he return the guesture by killing every Eldar he could find and destroying few Exodite worlds.

You coudl say that he was xenophobic by pointing toward his sons who often fought aliens and destroy some species. But the truth is he had no real control lover his sons so they did what they wanted. I know a story where World Eaters together with Sons of Horus slaughtered entire city full of civilians when the planet refused to surrender. When the Ultramrines came to take garrison duty they were shocked by the state an report that to Guiliman. Don't know if Emperor did something, but beging that Angron was still doing what he did after that it points out that he cared little about that.

I personally think that his stance was bad xenos must kill, non-hostile ones are ok. But we will never know that, not unless he get's up from his throne ans start talking.


No, "Suffer not the Alien to Live" includes non-hostile ones. In his opinion those ones are just bidding their time until they become hostile anyway.

Hey the monkeys, Squats and a few other races that have allied the imperium would like to have a word with you...



The monkeys are monkeys. Imperium doesn't wipe out animals. Squats are abhumans. Big E's ok with them.

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Squats are abhumans. Big E's ok with them.


And who are they again?

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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.


The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?

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I know, I was just being sarcastic here because Squats are banned and as far as GW go they never existed in 40k.
That is why I asked purplefood who are they?

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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.


The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?

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Well the Emperor doomed humanity by pissing of all xeno races and then dying leaving command to the slowed Roboute.

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The Emperor was just as Xenophobic as the current Imperium is, the difference is that he would pause to see if there was anything useful to steal from them first. then they would be exterminated.

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The Emperor had no problem with Eldar and probably the Tau. The only reason he hunted Eldar was because they attacked many humans that were destined to fall to Chaos. He shares their goal: the destruction of Chaos.

I believe it was an HH novel that explained his plan:

1. Turn Humanity secular, Thus weakening Chaos
2. Reunite all of humanity and repeat step 1
3. seperate humanity from the warp by accessing the webway.
4. begin a psykic war with the weakened Chaos gods and kill them.
5. become the God of humanity and bend the warp to his will.
6. reintroduce humanity to religion, worshiping the Emperor.
7. Expand past the edge of the Galaxy.

Nowhere in the plan does it list Kill all the Xenos.

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gabrielhorus wrote:The Emperor had no problem with Eldar and probably the Tau. The only reason he hunted Eldar was because they attacked many humans that were destined to fall to Chaos. He shares their goal: the destruction of Chaos.

I believe it was an HH novel that explained his plan:

1. Turn Humanity secular, Thus weakening Chaos
2. Reunite all of humanity and repeat step 1
3. seperate humanity from the warp by accessing the webway.
4. begin a psykic war with the weakened Chaos gods and kill them.
5. become the God of humanity and bend the warp to his will.
6. reintroduce humanity to religion, worshiping the Emperor.
7. Expand past the edge of the Galaxy.

Nowhere in the plan does it list Kill all the Xenos.


You skipped the "Reconquer the Galaxy" step, which includes extermination of any who resist. Now name a Xenos who would willingly submit to xenophobic human lordship, and tell me that they wouldn't resist.
   
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Killing all Aliens, Mutants and Witchs seems to be the only thing that the Imperium got right after the Emperor's death but the only thing everyone on the internet irl gets wrong.

 
   
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I think that the only thing that separates the Emperor from the Orks is a language barrier and skin tone that we can all relate to. That dude was just as war mongerng as the Orks. He lived for the fight of pilaging, plundering, and conquering the galaxy in his quest for dominance and the erradication of Chaos. Take out the Chaos bit and he is the Orks. We just understand him and his troops have far snazzier toys to do the killing with.

Otherwise....the same.
   
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The Emperor didnt go around killing off xenos unless their was a good reason for it. The Imperium would be on good terms with the Eldar if it werent for the meeting with Fulgrim, who was unknowingly been curropted by a daemon blade and Eldrad sensed this etc.(look it up for full story dont have time to write the whole thing) So Eldar Imp relations are not so good now and Horus in Horus Rising says to the mournival that he believes the Emperor would deal with Interex without resorting to killing everyone in sight. Besides the whole "the Emperor is a xeno hating madman" thing is contrary to the Emperor's character. and on a side not i always found the Imperium and Eldars reations very interesting. They are both extremly similar, they both are extremly arrogant, think their superior to everyone else and despise chaos. Oh and the Emperor did not want to seculerise mankind soley to weaken chaos. He genuinly detested religion because throughout human history people have used it as a justification for war and horrible acts. The Emperor neveer wanted to be a god, hence the great irony of how the Imperium turned out.

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the emperor ordered the extermination of all alien races and any of the lost human colonies that had close ties with xenos as he belived that it was mankinds destiny to rule the galaxy solo.

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I was under the impression that alien races were given a kind of ultimatum. If they were not willing to submit, or were at all warlike they were put down. Kind of along the lines of how Horus did not immediately attack those aliens in the Horus Heresy book, and it wasn't until they were attacked during the peace negotiations. Also, weren't there non-human allies to the IoM back in older editions? Such as squats, ratlings, ogryns?

I always kinda figured the EoM to be very intelligent, logical, and understanding, albeit harsh.

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AtariAssasin wrote:Also, weren't there non-human allies to the IoM back in older editions? Such as squats, ratlings, ogryns?

They were abhumans, so no, they still count as being human (and the Ratlings and Ogryns are still alive and some serve in the Imperial Guard).
I always kinda figured the EoM to be very intelligent, logical, and understanding, albeit harsh.

He wasn't necessarily understanding of how others would react, though; look at what happened with Angron, or making Horus Warmaster. Still I'd imagine xenos who bent knee to the Imperium and would prove more valuable alive in that role than the resources they would need would be left alive. Any other xenos? They'd probably be exterminated. The Emperor would the galaxy for Humans. Xenos were a threat to Humanity that had to be wiped out. Everyone wants their own species to do best, just like they want their own country, and then their community, and their own family to do best.
   
 
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