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If Flat Out is now triple movement, does that mean Trukks can move 18"?
If Fleet adds 2" to movement, and Orks can make a run move of 12", does that mean Orks can make a 14" move during a Waaagh?
Also, will a squad of 'Ard Boyz become a viable option now that CCWs ignore our armor save?

Peace

I'm not currently looking at the leaked rulebook, so I'm not 100% on these.

Trucks would be able to move 18" (19 with RPJ).

If the Waaagh rule says that your army gains Fleet of Foot for that turn, then yes...sort of. I believe the extra 2" fleet movement would also be doubled, so your Orks would actually be able to charge 16". Move 6 + fleet 2 = 8 x 2 for charge = 16.

I think regular Boyz will still be perfectly fine. The 6+ save was never the selling points of Orks. Not to mention that not many things actually have close combat weapons...

Yes, a trukk can move 18. However, you can move 21 with RPJ, since it adds to the base movement and the way cruise/run and flat out works is x2 or x3 your base movement, respectively.

'Ard boyz are probably still not going to be taken, since it screws up threat saturation.

Yea I dont see why so many Ork players are making a stink about the CCW are AP6 now. I mean.....seriously, how many loaded dice were you playing with, that you saved enough boyz in CC with their shirts? I know I personally, was always VERY surprised when a chainsword got caught up in my boyz shirts

It's more like 33% less save as we also lost 4+ cover.

Orky-Kowboy wrote:If Flat Out is now triple movement, does that mean Trukks can move 18"?

Correct, 19" with RPJ. The FAQ explicitly says you add after doubling/trippling. So nothing changed in that case.

If Fleet adds 2" to movement, and Orks can make a run move of 12", does that mean Orks can make a 14" move during a Waaagh?

Fleet adds 2" to the movement speed, so they run or charge 16" during a Waaagh!, as those moves double your movement speed.

Also, will a squad of 'Ard Boyz become a viable option now that CCWs ignore our armor save?

No, as your opponent can direct wounds to your nob and kill it first, because it has the same armor as all the other boyz.

KingCracker wrote:Yea I dont see why so many Ork players are making a stink about the CCW are AP6 now. I mean.....seriously, how many loaded dice were you playing with, that you saved enough boyz in CC with their shirts? I know I personally, was always VERY surprised when a chainsword got caught up in my boyz shirts

I think the problem is instead of having a 1/6 of saving a model using the armour save (should you have no other), you've got no save at all. So any model you throw into combat will probably not make it out again. Considering almost the entirety of the Ork Infantry has a 6+ armour save and little option to get better, yeah it kinda is a kick in the teeth. It gives the impression in a sense that Orks don't wear armour at all, which TBH is not true all things considered. And since Orks are pretty much an Assault army (primarily but not always), getting into combat with a guaranteed death warrant isn't very pleasing.

There are less things with CCW than you might think. Most of the imperial guard, tyranids and vanilla marines don't, for example.

Agreed, a SM only has a bolter and a boltpistol. And AGAIN, you get a 1 in 6 chance NOW of saving an Ork.......big deal......you have 20-30 boyz, THATS our version of an armor save

Why do people keep saying Guards don't CCW? They do.

My problem with it is not so much that we're losing the save (which, as noted before, is not much of a deal), but that it's more wounds added to No Retreat. So while that 6+ armor might only save 3 orks at best, that's 6 orks lost.

Luke_Prowler wrote:My problem with it is not so much that we're losing the save (which, as noted before, is not much of a deal), but that it's more wounds added to No Retreat. So while that 6+ armor might only save 3 orks at best, that's 6 orks lost.

Exactly, I get it that our save sucked, but at least it was a save that we had and there was a at least a chance for saves, now orks have no save in CC.

Im thinking, we are going to have to wait for a new codex to really be proud of our Greenskins again. I just hope that GW's new supposed mentality of getting everything right this time, stays true and we dont wait for 10 years, and be the next current Tau codex.

Considering Ork stuff actually sells and far as I can tell they became the #1 xeno army in the last 6 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they got updated fairly shortly into 6th.

KingCracker wrote:Agreed, a SM only has a bolter and a boltpistol. And AGAIN, you get a 1 in 6 chance NOW of saving an Ork.......big deal......you have 20-30 boyz, THATS our version of an armor save

But I don't have 20-30 orks I have 12 and sm can use their pistol in cc ( their attacks are ap5 and as far as I know pistol is ccw). The thing that gets me is that ap6 ccw hurts no one except orks (I'm not sure about nids)

Jidmah wrote:

Orky-Kowboy wrote:If Flat Out is now triple movement, does that mean Trukks can move 18"?

Correct, 19" with RPJ. The FAQ explicitly says you add after doubling/trippling. So nothing changed in that case.

Doesn't the faq state that you add +1 to move value and not +1 to movement?

"Ork vehicles with rpj add +1 to their Move
value."

RPJ is now making ork vehicles even faster with 6th edition, so that is working out for us.

I am really looking forward to using burnas as a secondary assault force for the I10 power weapons. That is going to be fun!

-cgmckenzie

illuknisaa wrote:
Doesn't the faq state that you add +1 to move value and not +1 to movement?

"Ork vehicles with rpj add +1 to their Move
value."

True, I could have sworn it didn't. Oh well, hurray for 21" trukks and 14" battlewagons!

Something I didn't see mentioned before: Flash Gits are now "targeters" effectively giving them +1 to BS against anything not stationary anyways. In addition to BS3 ignoring FNP now, they might just have become viable.

illuknisaa wrote:

But I don't have 20-30 orks I have 12 and sm can use their pistol in cc ( their attacks are ap5 and as far as I know pistol is ccw). The thing that gets me is that ap6 ccw hurts no one except orks (I'm not sure about nids)

Don't believe that's quite true. Pistols give you an extra attack like a CCW, but I didn't see that they had AP6 like a CCW does. . . did I just miss that?

Isn't there already a 6th ed Ork thread stil on the FP of 40k General?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/422672.page

Indeed there is, for the sake of sanity let's keep the # of these threads to a minimum please.