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Here is the back story to the Grand Battle I had done!

Location: Alkest 5. Outside the Ruined city of Koro
Planet Type: Ruined Force World

Alkest 5 was once a imperial force world far in the outer reaches of imperial territory. Thousands of years of war with the Orks laid it to ruins. It fell to the Orks over twenty years ago. Now with the Advance of the Tau they have their sights set on this world not only to rid it of the Orks but to gain control over the powerful powerful resources it has and its military tactical location for fending off Taus enemies and gaining space to the imperial territories. This was but ten years ago. Now after ten years of battle in a massive bloody fare, both sides have dwindled to nothing. The time for the final battle has begun.

The Twin Warbosses Goreclaw grotcrusha



And Nugdrak Grotcrusha



lead a small Trukk assault with their last three meganobs against the Tau leaders O Cantara and the Broadside O shas Shadowflare.
Now it begins, Will the planet remain in the hands of the orks or will the tau finally prove victorious and take the forge world from them?




His list
HQ: Commander Shas-o - Two Shield Drones, cyclic Ion Cannon, Stimulent Injector, Shiled Gen, Iridium armor, Target lock hardwired, Blacksun filter, Fusion blaster, failsafe detonator.

Troops 1 - 7 Fire Warriors, pulse rifles
Troops 2 - 7 fire warriors, pulse rifles
Troops 3 - 7 Fire Warriors, Pulse rifles

Heavy: Broadside Battlesuit - Railgun twinlinked, Smart Missile System, Target lock, Team Leader




My List
HQ: Warboss - Power Claw, Cybork Body
HQ: Warboss - Power Claw, Cybork Body
Troops: 3 Meganobs
Troops: 3 Mega Nobs
Transport: Trukk
Transport: Trukk



Deployment: Pitched Battle
Mission Type: Cease Ground
Objectives: 5
Terrain: 5


Before combat I roll to see if I cease initiative:


So he goes first!

We are Deployed as such


My side I deploy the trukks behind some cover and AWAY from his pulse rifles. If he pops a trukk its all he pops and 1 trukk is all I need.



His movement was spent moving that troop on the far left into the crater which was one objective and moving his other fire warriors up to the center of the board. A Foolish mistake I might say.



He fires with his broadside and misses to hit the trukk and tries to fire with his troops in the building but misses as I make my cover saves against two shots that hit and glanced my armor.


My turn 1

I run my trukks up. One towards the crater objective on the far corner and the other right up the middle to meet where the majority of his army is.



I run the one heading to the crater up 18 inches and the other trukk only moves 12 inches. I pop out my orks nea him at the center of the table.


Now Assault! Here is what I rolled to hit and wound him.
Hit

Wound


After all is done I wipe the squad out and consilidate 6 inches towards the center of the board


His turn 2

Fires Cyclic Ion Blaster and Fusion blaster at my nobs and boss. Wounds boss 1 and one nob takes a wound.
Fires Missiles with broadside and rail cannon at team and boss. Boss fails rail cannon and dies. Misses with missiles.
The rest of the turn was spent shooting and failing to hit or wound anything

My Turn 2

I pop out the rest of the meganobs and wipe out the other team



Turns 3-5 goes a lot like this. I kill off the braodside in turn three and spend up to turn 5 in CC with him not dealing any wounds. Me dealing one wound that he keeps making all these invuln saves.

We rolled off for extra turns twice after turn 5. Turn 7 I finally kill his stupid O shas and consolidate right into controlling the center objective with my nobs.
The nobs who were in the far left corner of the table stayed there holding the objective. The boss with them spent the entire game Running over to the other side of the table by himself while the others were tied up by the crisis suit. One meganob dies. And right when the boss gets to the building on the far right corner.


He fails to assault all the way up into the building and than dies on turn 7 by a hail of Tau shots. Leaving me still the victor by holding two objectives and him holding one!
He had a single fire warrior squad left and I had two mega nobs holding one objective and three holding another.


His loses
His HQ: two Troops, A heavy support and two guys off his last team from Big shoota shots from my trukks.

My Losses: 2 HQ, 1 Meganob

Victor: ME!

So...you guys who ignored my army list and just...Tau pops tanks and spends who game SBP over the board? Your list sucks! ..well....I was right! This isn't the first time I did this to tau, Chaos or other players too! I beaten tau,Chaos,Ork lists with this set up at 500 points so I knows what I am doing!

Orks remained in control of Alkest 5 and will continue to respawn as their spores grow new orks.

Good battle report but I do not like all the spoilers.

I used them so it would make it easier. That way pictures do not line up the thread and slow down people with slow computers.

Vasarto wrote:I used them so it would make it easier. That way pictures do not line up the thread and slow down people with slow computers.

That makes sense.

Congratulations on beating what could be the worst 500 pt Tau list on earth.....

500 pt game with an 'O as a leader (?? I take an 'EL at 1500!!!) loaded to the hilt with garbage wargear like failsafe det and shield Gen... most likely the 2 worst suit wargear options ever.... iridium is shyte too, no JSJ! 2 Shield Drones at 500pts!!! WOW! Stim Injectors? Really.... Fusion Blaster on the ONLY suit in the whole army? Suicidal much?

Then 21 Firewarriors which with no DFish is like fielding 21 matchsticks....

1 broadside as a solo Team leader (leading what team?) unit with a Target Lock? Yeah you need to split fire for when the other guy in the squad shoots... oh wait hang on...

Terrible Tau list.... I think you could have fielded grots and beat him.

I have a list for that! Weird boys, Gretchen and lootas!

Milisim wrote:
Terrible Tau list.... I think you could have fielded grots and beat him.

I take a little offense at that. Please check out my 2000 grot list. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/423803.page

I concur on list - lots of waste in there but also on tactics.


I'm guessing it was a small board seeing as you got into assault on turn one. Ods are had he kept his firewarriors in starting position he could have fired singles at one of your trucks on turn one and doubles on the other truck the next turn.

At the very least orks ' c'mon Tau don't get closer to orks voluntarily.

He also seemed to miss a lot with that broadside - was he re-rolling misses on the railgun?

But yeah, guy invested way too much in the toys, not enough int he boys. Even if he does goes firewarrior heavy (which isn't a bad idea in a 500 point game) and keeps the broadside around in case somebody plops a landraider on the table (I'm dubious of throwing in the broadside, but I don't like being static myself), he should really look at triming some stuff and trying to get a Shas'el with a Shas'ui wingman for suits. Give 'em missile pods and dance around the edge of the board smashing vehicles and high toughness models

I was a bit surprised by this. Those MAN's are so slow that I figured you would lose at least one Trukk turn 1 and have to hoof it there, getting blown away as you did.

The morale of the story to this is more suits!

My main question would be - where do I get those dice?

That is a terrible Tau list, and he didn't play very well at all. He should've sat at the back of the board and shot you to pieces. His Shas'O was overencumbered, to use a Bethesda phrase, and costs 205pts on his own, which is almost half his army tied up in a largely useless model.

Combine that with the fact that he moved his fire warriors towards fast transport vehicles loaded with assault-based models, neglected to shoot the Trukks with his remaining Fire Warriors, and spent the vast majority of his time in CC, I don't get how you are so surprised that you won.

Not to try and play down your victory (only your excessive jubilation), but you managed to beat a crap Tau played using crap tactics in CC using a CC army... what did you expect would happen?

Tau aren't very effective at low points values anyway, but against the list you fielded, a basic 500pts list for Tau should've thumped it.

Fireknife Shas'El with TA, HW-MT, HW-DC and 1 shield drone costs 112pts.
2 Bare minimum FW squads costs 120pts
That leaves 268pts for more battlesuits. Another two regular fireknife elites with the team leader upgrade and targeting arrays + HW-MTs costs 154pts, leaving 114pts. Another two deathrains with targeting arrays costs 106pts, leaving 8pts left over for whatever.

That Tau army brings 1 BS5 Plasma Rifle, 1 BS5 Missile Pod, 2 BS4 Plasma Rifles, 2 BS4 Missile Pods, and 2 BS4 TL Missile Pods, for a total of 3 PRs and 5 MPs.

At game start, the suits tear into the Trukks with the Missile Pods, starting with the Deathrains. The FWs can focus fire on the other trukk to try and stun it, or even blow it up. By my calculations, the Deathrains spit out 4 shots in total, hitting on 3s with re-rolls, so 3-4 should hit. They then need 3s to glance the trukk, so will penetrate 50% of the time, or get 1.5-2 penetrating hits. Since the Trukk is open-topped, the least they can do is stun it, and they will destroy it 50% of the time, so can reliably neutralise the trukk.

The other battlesuits then fill the meganobz with plasma, or try and knock the other trukk out of commission if the FWs didn't manage to stun or immobilise it (all they need to do). Staying 30" away from you means the fireknife suits can jump into range, shoot you, and jump back out, and you will not survive long enough to footslog up to them, and even if you get close enough to Waaagh!, at that point the meganobz squad should be low enough in model count to rapid fire to death.

Try pitting your list against my Tau list, using your opponent's models (perhaps proxy some of the suits) and tell him to leave his FWs inside a ruin or cover near his board edge, not move them, and shoot the trukk the dual missile pod deathrains do not shoot at. Also tell him to leave his fireknife suits so that he can move 6" into plasma rifle range, shoot, and jump 6" back out in his assault phase, and tell him to make sure his deathrains are around max range (on a 4x4 board, it shouldn't be difficult to figure out ranges).

Tell him to focus all the crisis suits fire on whatever comes out of a transport, not to split fire unless the FWs fail to stop the other trukk being able to move, at which point they should hit the trukk instead.

If all goes to plan (it might not, since it's harder to give turn by turn advice without being there in person) then you should see:

A) What a decent 500pt Tau army looks like.
and B) That your army isn't very good, and the fact that you beat a sub-par, badly played Tau list doesn't nullify that.

Again, i'm not trying to say that the game was crap or that you should be ashamed or w/e, just that you should be prepared to face decent lists, and fighting against terrible armies is giving you a false sense of confidence.

Try telling your opponents to pop their lists on here, we'll see what we can do with them and give them tactical help, and then you can face them with this Ork list; this isn't to try and rub your face in it, but to try and tell you that your current list isn't very good, and to try and show you why.

Anyway, congratulations.

At the OP, please don't be cocky when you beat a rubbish tau player with rubbish tactics.

Your list is no where near as good as What you can do with orks.

ok get someone to play this against you.

crowe
5x purifers halberds x4 MC halberd
rhino
5x purifers halberds x4 MC halberd
rhino

500

Driago
paladin MC halberd
paladin Halberd
paladin halberd
paladin halberd

500

HQ - Rune Priest - Jotww - living lighting. 100 pts
TR - 7x Grey Hunters - Meltagun - Wolf Standard - Power Weapon - Mark of the Wulfen - PF - Rhino. 210 pts
TR - 7x Grey Hunters - Meltagun - Wolf Standard - Power Weapon - Mark of the Wulfen - Melta bomb - Rhino. 190 pts

500

Libby
assualt squad
assualt squad
stormraven

500

Warboss PK
19x boys
1x nob PK
battlewagon

12x boys
1x nob PK
truck

10x grechin
1x ruth

500.

2x destoryer lord Mscarbs
5x warriors
5x warriors
annihilation barge

500.

The lists are endless.

But lets just say if you put your orks against my, I think I will stand more chance of winning because I have more troops for objectices, an battlewagon that is almost indestructable in 500 point games if i keep moving, I have enough PK in combat to kill your meganobs. And you need alot attacks to kill my big unit that will be fearless unless you kill 10 of them.

Haemonculi
3x wracks venom
3x wracks venom
ravager w/ff
ravagerw/ff

Can meganobz even capture objectives? Just because they count as troops choices because of the warbosses does it mean they can capture them?

Gork and Mork wrote:Can meganobz even capture objectives? Just because they count as troops choices because of the warbosses does it mean they can capture them?

Yes, if something is taken as a troops choice it is for all intents and purposes a troops choice, including for taking objectives.

Rampage wrote:

Gork and Mork wrote:Can meganobz even capture objectives? Just because they count as troops choices because of the warbosses does it mean they can capture them?

Yes, if something is taken as a troops choice it is for all intents and purposes a troops choice, including for taking objectives.

Unless it's a vehicle; the only vehicles that can capture objectives are transports containing a Troop choice, and Walkers which are the target of a GKGM's Unyielding Anvil role from the Grand Strategy rule (as of the FAQ).

Deff Dreads that are made Troops by a Big Mek, for example, will not be able to claim objectives.

So does that mean a deff dread taken as a troop can take objectives?

Avatar quite specifically stated no.

Also - I still want to know where your dice are from?

Vasarto wrote:So does that mean a deff dread taken as a troop can take objectives?

nope, and the gk faq is bullcrap fyi, total bullcrap

Over 9000! wrote:

Vasarto wrote:So does that mean a deff dread taken as a troop can take objectives?

nope, and the gk faq is bullcrap fyi, total bullcrap

I hope they change that in the 6th edition codex lol. Of course I also hope they make more Ork walkers, Make Kans a Elite Choice and allow you to make a customized Warboss with the option to take unlimited amount of special rules, weapons or whatever from the entire codex. Having Stats would cost points so you could have a Warboss that costs like 1000 points that has everything in the ork codex and have like a loota gun,relentless,power claw on a bike that has its power claw as rending etc. Would be awesome to have the ability to make a boss and name it with each special rule costing lots of points but the ability to make the baddest most unkillable ork thing ever lol.

I imagine a Boss with like WS 7 and T 6 and 5 attacks with a 2+/ 4+ save on a bike with a jetpack and snikrots ambush ability lol.