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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16674660
The EU buys about 20% of Iran's oil, this is bound to piss off the Iranians.
Are things hotting up in the Gulf?
Is Ahmadinejad stupid enough to challenge the US?

Well, it’s taken a while for the world to get there, but it seems like the end result is pretty clear. Iran can’t have nuclear power and an economy.

The issue now will be finding some kind of out for Iran, so they can back down on nuclear power without looking like they’ve backed down. Giving Iran aid so they can develop alternative energy generation, maybe?

sebster wrote:
The issue now will be finding some kind of out for Iran, so they can back down on nuclear power without looking like they’ve backed down. Giving Iran aid so they can develop alternative energy generation, maybe?

Frankly, with the shenanigans that they have pulled in recent months/years, I wouldn't "give" them anything. And while it may look bad for them to be backing down, it will also show other countries (looking at you, N. Korea) that the Western World will not be trifled with in these regards.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:Frankly, with the shenanigans that they have pulled in recent months/years, I wouldn't "give" them anything. And while it may look bad for them to be backing down, it will also show other countries (looking at you, N. Korea) that the Western World will not be trifled with in these regards.

Then you have stalemate, of an increasingly impoverished nation, but with a nuclear weapons program. That's a bad thing.

And don't forget Iran is only looking to develop something many other nations already have, including most of the nations leading the charge against Iran. Now, you know and I know that Iran having the bomb is a very different state of affairs than the US or France having it, but fundamentally Iran has the right to develop the bomb just as anyone else does. If you want someone to stop doing something they have every right to do, then you need to offer them something in return. Otherwise it just looks like big Western nations telling a little middle Eastern nation what to do, and that's obviously a situation Iran won't settle for.

I'm pretty sure the only thing that Iran is using the Nuclear Power for is the DeLorian.

That Flux Capacitor won't power itself, you know.

OT: I dislike Iran. So this works for me.

Chowderhead wrote:I'm pretty sure the only thing that Iran is using the Nuclear Power for is the DeLorian.

That Flux Capacitor won't power itself, you know.

Well, obviously Iran line about nuclear power for civilian power generation is bs. We all know that. It doesn't change the simple facts of the matter, we want Iran to stop building something many of the rest of us have and intend to keep.

OT: I dislike Iran. So this works for me.

What an odd way to go about foreign policy. "I like you, I will shower you with riches and favourable trade agreements. I hate you, I will call upon all the powers of the UN to make sure you are poor."

Also, how do you dislike a country? What does that even mean? The government? Every single person living there?

Iran having nuclear weapons is like a mentaly slowed child with a loaded pistol.

Relapse wrote:Iran having nuclear weapons is like a mentaly slowed child with a loaded pistol.

Please support this with a list of actions undertaken by Iran that would warrant a description.

I mean, it's not that I want Iran to have the bomb, but stuff like the above just has nothing to do with the actual situation.

Other then the guy hates iranians and insert random insults

I'll reply fully when im not on my phone, but i definitely think you can make a decent case against Iran having a nuclear programme.

Namely overt assistance to terrorist organisations around the world and their hand in the murder of coalition troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, endless violent and vocal condemnation of Israel, and internally the merciless crushing of Iranian dissenters.

Namely, the Iranians who aren't interested in malleting people with apocalyptic weaponry (the moderate ones) aren't getting a say!

Chowderhead wrote:I'm pretty sure the only thing that Iran is using the Nuclear Power for is the DeLorian.

That Flux Capacitor won't power itself, you know.

OT: I dislike Iran. So this works for me.

Well if you're going back in time, might as well do it in style.


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sebster wrote:

Relapse wrote:Iran having nuclear weapons is like a mentaly slowed child with a loaded pistol.

Please support this with a list of actions undertaken by Iran that would warrant a description.

I mean, it's not that I want Iran to have the bomb, but stuff like the above just has nothing to do with the actual situation.

Iran's financial, expert, and physical support for: Hamas; Hezzbullah; insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan; and support for the Syrian regime.

Sebster will now make excuses about how Iran is really a loving democracy that never oppresses its own, is peaceful and loving, and is always concered about the rights of women, minorities, and homosexuals.


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mattyrm wrote:I'll reply fully when im not on my phone, but i definitely think you can make a decent case against Iran having a nuclear programme.

Namely overt assistance to terrorist organisations around the world and their hand in the murder of coalition troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, endless violent and vocal condemnation of Israel, and internally the merciless crushing of Iranian dissenters.

Namely, the Iranians who aren't interested in malleting people with apocalyptic weaponry (the moderate ones) aren't getting a say!

What Matty said.

In other news, a string of body parts and broken women's hearts has been tracked from LA down to Guadalajara. Look out Argentina, Matty's on the move!

Please support this with a list of actions undertaken by Iran that would warrant a description.

I hear declaring the Holocaust as a lie is pretty messed up.

I too don't want them to get hold of a bomb - I'll clarify that, I don't think we are safe when anyone has them. Look at the number of 'near misses' by the US and Russia during the cold war, while the weapons exist there remains the possibility of a mistake being made. It only needs to happen once, then we'll need the Aussie in the leather suit and black muscle car to protect us from the oil-thieving ways of the almost naked guy with a hockey mask and his gang of mohican-wielding friends.

But, from their perspective I can completely understand it. Looking at what has happened to the countries around them, and specifically the history of the US having never attacked a nuclear power, I can completely understand why the current regime would want them. Will these sanctions stop them from developing a nuclear weapon? Of course not, as usual it will just be the poor within the country who will suffer, and everything that the EU and US does to clamp down on them only strengthens the current regimes grip on the country.

Pacific wrote:I too don't want them to get hold of a bomb - I'll clarify that, I don't think we are safe when anyone has them. Look at the number of 'near misses' by the US and Russia during the cold war, while the weapons exist there remains the possibility of a mistake being made. It only needs to happen once, then we'll need the Aussie in the leather suit and black muscle car to protect us from the oil-thieving ways of the almost naked guy with a hockey mask and his gang of mohican-wielding friends.

But, from their perspective I can completely understand it. Looking at what has happened to the countries around them, and specifically the history of the US having never attacked a nuclear power, I can completely understand why the current regime would want them. Will these sanctions stop them from developing a nuclear weapon? Of course not, as usual it will just be the poor within the country who will suffer, and everything that the EU and US does to clamp down on them only strengthens the current regimes grip on the country.

As well, that not the whole world is following along with these sanctions, namely India and China. And Japan and S. Korea have also made it clear they aren't happy about the sanctions. I believe the most recent reports have said that Iran isn't trying to build a nuke, but have nuclear capacity

sebster wrote:

Relapse wrote:Iran having nuclear weapons is like a mentaly slowed child with a loaded pistol.

Please support this with a list of actions undertaken by Iran that would warrant a description.

I mean, it's not that I want Iran to have the bomb, but stuff like the above just has nothing to do with the actual situation.[/quote

Looks like several others have beaten me to answering you.

@Luna,

I really need to set you straight. There's a fair chance I know, work with, and hang out with more Iranians than you do. They think the same way I do about Iran having nuclear capability, insofar as terrorist organizations sponsered by them somehow slipping through a net with a bomb and setting it off somewhere.
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If we don't buy their oil we'll have to get it elsewhere meaning that the prices will go up as there's more demand on these other sources. The very reason they have seemed so reluctant over Iran is because of the oil.

No wonder the Iranians claim it's propaganda or a bluff, we'll see.