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i was wondering befor i drop the 50 bucks for the lonewolf builder i was wondering if there is any other programs?

Excel. If you don't have that, Open Office.

It's the easiest way possible, I find.

Use the money on the Army Builder program.

You, and your opponents, will not regret it.

I've never seen any reason to use anything other than excel.

It's quite easy to set up a template and formulas to use to get output similar to army builder.

You just keep telling yourself that.

I use this. Ver helpful and handy.

Battle scribe isn't terrible, but army builder is so much more user friendly and is WAY more clear on the PDF export

Wait, Army builder for me was only like 25$, not 50. Did they up the price?

Either way, Army builder is totally worth it. I love it, and have never looked back.

Just look for Battle Scribe. It's free. Does the same what Army Builder. But it's free and works on Win, Mac and Linux. On your android too.

thanks guys and the price is 40 not 50 but im probally going to end up buying anyways

If you or any of your friends speak German I highly recommend this program, it's an army builder that's very easy to use, has practically no mistakes and is completely free: http://www.onlinecodex.de/forum/portal.php

Most of the times you can figure the names in German out anyways since they are pretty similar to the ones in English (Space Marines, Predators, Leman Russ, all the same). I usually just make my lists in this program and then translate them to English.
Hope this helps.

I still don't see point in buying Army Builder when there's Battlescribe :/

I'm a big fan of Battlescribe. It's free and if you don't like the way someone else made an army catalog, you can change it.

Yea, Battle scribe is the way to go.

you can even fix mistakes if you find them.

(Like the grey Knights henchmen acolytes not costing anything, fixed that to input its point cost)

I use Battlescribe but have no idea how to save the documents... I save it and it is 0kb in size and does nothing.
I'm not going off-topic here, my point is go with Army Builder if you can afford it Or Battlescribe if you can do all the CSS stuff or whatever it is...

Pen and paper. You can fold it up and put it in your pocket, too!

Joey wrote:Pen and paper. You can fold it up and put it in your pocket, too!

Battle scribe is better than pen/paper.

You can even quickly optimize your lists as well.

Commander Jimbob wrote:I use Battlescribe but have no idea how to save the documents... I save it and it is 0kb in size and does nothing.

Have you tried uninstall and re-installing it?

barring that, try saving the list to a different location.

I've never had a problem just using Excell. it really doesn't take much knowledge to quickly pump out an army list.

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It's iPad / iPhone only, but I've been using an app called Quartermaster. I've had to enter the data myself, but it supports exporting that information to other devices and exporting lists to email and forum code.

Plus, since it's for a handheld OS I can take it with me to my local store.

I use pen and paper.

Cause I hate trees.

Notepad anyone??

I use Battlescribe, it just plain rocks for a free program.

I've been trying with Battlescribe, but for the life of me I can't make it work.

Did you get the data files for Battlescribe?

check out the ones here:
http://www.battlescribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=186

Also help with Battle Scribe:
http://www.battlescribe.net/help-overview.html

Hey thanks! Now I got it to work, I just didn't understand how to get the files to go in, but now I got it, Thanks a bunch. Also, it is pretty great, I could really recommend it. Are there Necron files out yet?

I have not found the new necron files yet.

you can input them yourself, if you want.

Its not that tough to learn how to do that, you just got to mess around with Battle Scribe for a bit and you will get it.

Its not that tough to add units into the file creator.

Army builder is like a game on to itself , it's an incredible tool not only to build your army but also to research other armies and builds, you can spend hours on end on it .worth every penny .

DeathReaper wrote:I have not found the new necron files yet.

Well... I compiled a Necron 5th Ed file for BattleScribe within a week of release :]

It's right here on our forums, sheesh: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/408752.page

Thank you Herr!

I second the pen and paper. You should know your codex so well that you have most units' costs and upgrades memorized, at least the ones you use a lot. If you don't, then you need to read your codex another dozen times, and not just for the purpose of points memorization. Anyone can copy a netlist. Only people who really know their codices can do better.

Steelmage99 wrote:Use the money on the Army Builder program.
You, and your opponents, will not regret it.

I've never used army builder, but I have certainly regretted it when my opponents have.

Army builder goes WAY overboard with the detail that it's often really difficult for me to figure out what my opponent is bringing due to pure information overload. I've seen a single imperial guard infantry platoon take up a page and a half in army builder before, which is way out of place. I almost wonder if they use it specifically to hide which upgrades that they're taking.

If there was a way where you could tell army builder not to print off every single stat for every single model (yes, devestators have the same statline as a tac marine, I don't need to see them again), or to print off every single stupid upgrade (yes, ALL of my power-armored models come with frag and krak grenades), and special rule (yes, ALL of my marines come with ATSKNF), and just simplify it to the pertinent information, like how statlines are actually different, or special rules that just that squad has, or specific upgrades, then I'd be more in favor of army builder.

As it is, against experienced players with decent handwriting, I'd take a hand-written list every time over something some software put out.

... especially when said software contains occasional errors...