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Ok so i'm new to dark angels and i'm running deathwing. Wanted to add some ravenwing to my army list since i have a bunch of bikes...

So apparently I can make a unit of 6 bikes + 1 attack bike.

But upon deploying them, the attack bike counts as an entire separate unit? So it will be offering a kill point of it's own?

So say I take said unit and break it into combat squads, that's 3 kill points awared to my opponent off that one choice?

And if this IS how it works, then with sammael the attack bike on it's own is a scoring troop no?

did i miss anything?

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Akaiyou wrote:Ok so i'm new to dark angels and i'm running deathwing. Wanted to add some ravenwing to my army list since i have a bunch of bikes...

So apparently I can make a unit of 6 bikes + 1 attack bike.

But upon deploying them, the attack bike counts as an entire separate unit? So it will be offering a kill point of it's own?

So say I take said unit and break it into combat squads, that's 3 kill points awared to my opponent off that one choice?

And if this IS how it works, then with sammael the attack bike on it's own is a scoring troop no?

did i miss anything?


You are correct. That's how it works.

Also, I'd like to point out, Sammael is not an Independent Character, but always a unit of one model. Just something alot of people have missed.

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alright thank you very much.

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yep the ravenwing can be a kill fest in killpoint missions. suchs but thats the price of having outflanking units with homers on them.

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That's the price of using the DA codex. Just hold fast for a couple more years until GW turn around and upgrade it.
   
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Meh. That was what the rumor mill has been saying for the last 12 months. I will believe it when I see it.
   
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White Ninja wrote:yep the ravenwing can be a kill fest in killpoint missions. suchs but thats the price of having outflanking units with homers on them.


As long as the squadron did not take a Landspeeder. Take a landspeeder and no Outflank allowed for the bikes.

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@Don_mondo: Can you quote the page of this? The Landspeeder becomes a separate unit at deployment.
   
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Outflank is instead of deploying(as it requires you to go into reserves, which is done instead of deploying) - at that point the entire unit lacks Scout, so cannot outflank
   
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This looks like a prime target for an faq.
   
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leohart wrote:@Don_mondo: Can you quote the page of this? The Landspeeder becomes a separate unit at deployment.


Why yes, I can.

leohart wrote:This looks like a prime target for an faq.


Guess where I found it? From the GW DA FAQ:

Q: Can a Ravenwing attack squadron with a
Landspeeder in it, which has been held in reserve, use
the Outflank special rule? (p27)
A: No.

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don_mondo wrote:
leohart wrote:This looks like a prime target for an faq.


Guess where I found it? From the GW DA FAQ



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lmaooo

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So the moral of the story is dont take land speeders with your ravenwing squads.
   
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