Dark Angels Ravenwing rule explanation?

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**Akaiyou**

Ok so i'm new to dark angels and i'm running deathwing. Wanted to add some ravenwing to my army list since i have a bunch of bikes...

So apparently I can make a unit of 6 bikes + 1 attack bike.

But upon deploying them, the attack bike counts as an entire separate unit? So it will be offering a kill point of it's own?

So say I take said unit and break it into combat squads, that's 3 kill points awared to my opponent off that one choice?

And if this IS how it works, then with sammael the attack bike on it's own is a scoring troop no?

did i miss anything?

**ToBeWilly**

Akaiyou wrote:Ok so i'm new to dark angels and i'm running deathwing. Wanted to add some ravenwing to my army list since i have a bunch of bikes...

So apparently I can make a unit of 6 bikes + 1 attack bike.

But upon deploying them, the attack bike counts as an entire separate unit? So it will be offering a kill point of it's own?

So say I take said unit and break it into combat squads, that's 3 kill points awared to my opponent off that one choice?

And if this IS how it works, then with sammael the attack bike on it's own is a scoring troop no?

did i miss anything?

You are correct. That's how it works.

Also, I'd like to point out, Sammael is not an Independent Character, but always a unit of one model. Just something alot of people have missed.

**Akaiyou**

alright thank you very much.

**White Ninja**

yep the ravenwing can be a kill fest in killpoint missions. suchs but thats the price of having outflanking units with homers on them.

**leohart**

That's the price of using the DA codex. Just hold fast for a couple more years until GW turn around and upgrade it.

**Steelmage99**

Current rumours says the wait will only be 6 months, I believe.

**leohart**

Meh. That was what the rumor mill has been saying for the last 12 months. I will believe it when I see it.

**don_mondo**

White Ninja wrote:yep the ravenwing can be a kill fest in killpoint missions. suchs but thats the price of having outflanking units with homers on them.

As long as the squadron did not take a Landspeeder. Take a landspeeder and no Outflank allowed for the bikes.

**leohart**

@Don_mondo: Can you quote the page of this? The Landspeeder becomes a separate unit at deployment.

**nosferatu1001**

Outflank is instead of deploying(as it requires you to go into reserves, which is done instead of deploying) - at that point the entire unit lacks Scout, so cannot outflank

**leohart**

This looks like a prime target for an faq.

**don_mondo**

leohart wrote:@Don_mondo: Can you quote the page of this? The Landspeeder becomes a separate unit at deployment.

Why yes, I can.

leohart wrote:This looks like a prime target for an faq.

Guess where I found it? From the GW DA FAQ:

Q: Can a Ravenwing attack squadron with a
Landspeeder in it, which has been held in reserve, use
the Outflank special rule? (p27)
A: No.

**puma713**

don_mondo wrote:

leohart wrote:This looks like a prime target for an faq.

Guess where I found it? From the GW DA FAQ

**Akaiyou**

lmaooo

**DevianID**

So the moral of the story is dont take land speeders with your ravenwing squads.

**Flinty**

Unless you don't care about outflanking.