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I like how they point out how you do get more bits now, but don't forget the level of detail. Just look at this SM from the 90's vs the Current SM model



Space Marines when I first started in 3ed

VS



Current Space Marines

I would pay more just because of how nice the models are. I don't mind paying extra for nice things.

Howard A Treesong wrote:There's a shift in the way the game is played though. Simply, games are bigger now then when I started. When 3rd edition was released all the points values were lower, the powerful troops were less pronounced. Terminators were almost indestructible under 2nd ed. A 'standard' sized game is not vastly more expensive before you consider the costs per head of figure.

The price increase of regular troops as been the most detrimental IMO. Special characters have always been costly, but the current Catachan plastics were released at 20 for £10 and now they are 10 for £18. They aren't even nice sculpts...

Fantasy armies at the size GW rules expect are simply out of the question.

First of who still pays full price? Their are plenty of online discounters now a days. Second they probly raised the army sizes assuming that people had more then what they needed and wanted an excuse to field it. I know when I played WHFB I had near 8K points worth of stuff (previous army book) in my O&G army but being that the average game was 2K I never needed to field the whole thing. Then the point values of stuff dropped and i found my units becoming more realistic in size the more I began to enjoy the game. Same goes for 40K when i started I got most of my guard stuff second hand and I had about 3K (modern point value) but I only ever fielded a small fraction of my collection because the standard being 1,500 only used a few models. In a way I'm glad that armies got larger on the table the games feel more like battles and not skirmishes.

I will say this thou gaming clubs need to be more open to Noobies. I was lucky in that I "grew up" in a game store and my dad's friend hooked me up with a sweet deal his guard army fro only $150 USD now this was a couple editions ago. However you won't find such great deals now a days so if you have any noobs come to your game club don't be a jerk and turn them away because they can't field 1,500-2K point armies, and instead make a smaller list and give them time to build. I've seen this a lot in game clubs I've been to and if I was the new player it would turn me away from the hobby thinking that the people who play the game are jerks.

keezus wrote:

tauxnimrod wrote:I like how they point out how you do get more bits now, but don't forget the level of detail. Just look at this SM from the 90's vs the Current SM model

The 3rd edition starter box had the new modular marines, albiet without all the extra scrollwork, purity seals, gubbins and special weps. The body sculpts have remained unchanged for over 10 years. To be fair, the 2nd edition metals don't look that bad, and with a bit of work, can be made to fit in perfectly with the newer marines. In particular, GW is still selling a number of models from that vintage, and IMHO, they hold up admirably, considering that they're older than many of GW's target demographic. (The Techmarine is a personal favourite of mine... I own 3 of him.)

I'm not saying the old models look bad but I like how the new models look more battle worn and IMO sleeker then the older ones.

GQuail wrote:Some interesting points regarding army size, that's definitely a big factor in the changing nature of the game. I only mention it briefly but it's arguably a big deal since it means that, in essence, you need twice as many models for a "normal" game.

The move to armies heavier on troops also means that you can no longer do the "25% of points on troops then go mental on special characters and maybe vehicles" - your 1500 point army will have a sizable amount of boxed sets in it, not just blisters.

It might be interesting to price up a 1500 point army in 1998, a 1500 point army in 2012 and see how they compare. In theory this is the same basic product that all 40K players are supposed to own but odds are it'd now look a much scarier prospect for a starting player.

That's a BIG reason SM armies are becoming more abundant amongst New players. Not only does the starter come with a fare amount of SM,but when compared to say the Tau or let go even further the Nids. You don't have to field as much. From what I see thou it seems SM stuff is priced a little higher then most other armies so it probably evens out in the end, but were humans and the illusions of more for less is always appealing.

However as I said before besides noobies who is still paying full price for this? https://www.miniaturemarket.com/ 25% off ALL GW PRODUCT. Check em' out I'm lucky to live by the store front so I don't have to deal with S&H just Sales Tax still comes out to be cheaper then GW.