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Yeah... hoping to find an actual face off that will be rather fair for both sides, so 2 squads of 4 Clone Commandos agaisnt a 10 man squad of IoM Stormies, who'd win?

Equipement of the Commandos: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Katarn-class_commando_armor http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DC-17m_Interchangeable_Weapon_System

Equipement of the Stormies: Carapace armor, hellgun, ccw and 2 plasma gun. (I think everyone knows how it works, no need to link lore)

So let the fight begin!

Imo Clones have the advantage, they have more versatile weaponry and the possibility to drag the woundeds/incapacited members to safety, shoot e'm up with bacta and send them back in.

Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

Stormtroopers. Better training (they're been through hell. Literally.) And their basic weapons can cut through power armor. Commando armor is comparable to carapace I think.


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pretre wrote:Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

There's a sub forum?

No just no. These threads are getting tedious.

Yeah, but commandos are the prototypes of the Stormtroopers, who cant hit the broadside of the barn. While Storm Troopers can actually hit what they shoot at...


Jokes aside. The IoM Storm Troopers weapons negate power armor. So they will punch right through the armor. While blasters seem to be equal to lasguns. Which dont punch through carapace. Ill give it to the StormTroopers. Better trained, and more flexible doctorine.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

pretre wrote:Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

There's a sub forum?

Yeah, like 'Chain Fiction' and what have you.

Seems everyone ignores the fact that Commandos armor got an energy shield as well as an AT and sniper mode for their blaster, means they can switch pretty much instantly from a configuration to another.

Really? Star Wars vs IoM AGAIN???

Stormtroopers. ESPECIALLY if they're Kasrkin. In Cadian Blood (BL book by Aaron Dembowski Boden) 70 PDF all nurgled up vs 10 Cadian Inf. Karkins then breach room. Within a minute the PDF are all dead. Did I mention that the PDF had RPG's and Heavy Bolters. Later in the novel, the Kasrkin kill 3 CSM with a loss of 3 Men. Its 8 clone commando against a full squad of Kasrkin. I imagine that though a Commandoes are good, I dont think he has the skill to achieve a good 4+:1 kill ratio whilst fatigued from stomping around on a diseased, Zombified planet for a couple of weeks, whilst going up against constant resistance. It would go something like this

Commandoes fires at Kasrkin.
Kasrkin return fire whilst moving to cover
....
8+ AT grenades land at the commando's feet
KABOOOOOM

Kasrkin advance to find the Commandoes dazed, a couple unconcious/dead! Proceed to grease the commandoes stumbling around trying to figure out what the just happened. 8 dead commandoes. Imperial victory

pretre wrote:Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

Or a mass grave, a mass grave would be lovely.

Depends on the wargear of the Commandos - though to be honest, I'd say the clones would blow away the ST.

As much as I love Warhammer 40000 and all of it's awesomeness and grim darkness - I must here say Clone Commandos would won the day.

They have energy shields, strong armor, weapon that can be modified to be and assault rifle, sniper or anti-tank weapon.
They are very efficient and tactical in combat.

While Stormtroopers are good to they lack armor protection of Clone Commandos and weapons to take them down. ( Clone Commandos would use both sniper and anti-tank weapon against them, while melta is efficient it has short range - and it's the only weapons in Standard Stormtrooper kit that they can use against Commandos ).

Brother Coa wrote:As much as I love Warhammer 40000 and all of it's awesomeness and grim darkness - I must here say Clone Commandos would won the day.

They have energy shields, strong armor, weapon that can be modified to be and assault rifle, sniper or anti-tank weapon.
They are very efficient and tactical in combat.

While Stormtroopers are good to they lack armor protection of Clone Commandos and weapons to take them down. ( Clone Commandos would use both sniper and anti-tank weapon against them, while melta is efficient it has short range - and it's the only weapons in Standard Stormtrooper kit that they can use against Commandos ).

Brother Coa speaking against the imperium!?
This can't be unless....Alpharius, is that you?

Brother SRM wrote:

pretre wrote:Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

Or a mass grave, a mass grave would be lovely.

While overly dramatic, Brother SRM speaks truth.

No, but I played Star Wars Republic Commando and read two novels. Stormtroopers are like cadets in compassion to this guys. And the fact that so little of them died in Clone Wars show's their professionalism.

But they would lose in a fight if Imperium Stormtroopers have two or three squads ( witch is mostly the case with Stormtroopers, the comment above was just on even scales squad vs. squad ).

Whichever side has a bigger fanbase on the forum the question is posted on wins.

juraigamer wrote:Whichever side has a bigger fanbase on the forum the question is posted on wins.

+1
This is SO true it makes me cry while LMAO

Lol - Yeah thats probably true.

Brother Coa spoke against the Imperium...

Excuse me while I look for flying pigs.

And I actually have to say that the Commandoes win.

Mandalorian heritage and all.

I am just being realistic here guys.

Commandos have better armor and weapons. In a fight with 8 of them and 10 Stormtroopers the Commandos would win. Stormtroopers may have two plasma guns, but each Clone Commando rifle can be either sniper or anti-tank weapon.

In even fight Commandos would win ( ant OP post just that exact conditions ), but in every other aspect - Stormtroopers would win ( they are always working like several squads or entire Regiment, they rarely send only one squad to engagement ).

Brother Coa wrote:I am just being realistic here guys.

Commandos have better armor and weapons. In a fight with 8 of them and 10 Stormtroopers the Commandos would win. Stormtroopers may have two plasma guns, but each Clone Commando rifle can be either sniper or anti-tank weapon.

In even fight Commandos would win ( ant OP post just that exact conditions ), but in every other aspect - Stormtroopers would win ( they are always working like several squads or entire Regiment, they rarely send only one squad to engagement ).

I don't like these threads as a rule, but this is something which I have to correct.

The fact that "Each Clone Commando rifle can be either sniper or anti-tank weapon" really is irrelevant to the argument. There's no context to this whole thing. There's just "X fights Y--who wins?!".

If we're talking about a "SpecOps brawlout" where each side is going against the other in the most basic combat situation(a firefight in the open or one unit storming a building with the other inside)--credit goes to the Stormtroopers. Why?

That's their job. Stormtroopers are at the spearhead of an assault. The clones are the pathfinders for the assault. Stormtroopers can certainly act like this, but they don't generally.

Now, if it's something like we see portrayed in the various Republic Commando novels where they operate as guerrillas against a numerically superior force and they get their preptime, access to air support, etc?
Credit goes to the clones.

But that assumes people want to actually think logically about made-up things or want some kind of actual discussion rather than just "X is better than Y!" discussions.

OK first ST would win because there weapons beat power armor....nothing the Commandos have can beat power armor.
Commandos have shields mabey the same as a refactor field. thats a 5++ if your looking at tabl top so idealy the shields wont hold....plasma again will melt them.. they may have a chance if it was at long range combat commandos may win but mid-range close-range and close-combat Stormtroopers win thats my oppion at lest.

Kanluwen wrote:
I don't like these threads as a rule, but this is something which I have to correct.

The fact that "Each Clone Commando rifle can be either sniper or anti-tank weapon" really is irrelevant to the argument. There's no context to this whole thing. There's just "X fights Y--who wins?!".

If we're talking about a "SpecOps brawlout" where each side is going against the other in the most basic combat situation(a firefight in the open or one unit storming a building with the other inside)--credit goes to the Stormtroopers. Why?

That's their job. Stormtroopers are at the spearhead of an assault. The clones are the pathfinders for the assault. Stormtroopers can certainly act like this, but they don't generally.

Now, if it's something like we see portrayed in the various Republic Commando novels where they operate as guerrillas against a numerically superior force and they get their preptime, access to air support, etc?
Credit goes to the clones.

But that assumes people want to actually think logically about made-up things or want some kind of actual discussion rather than just "X is better than Y!" discussions.

You know - you are right Kan. The fact that OP didn't give us all the details can make this threads be fire wars over who is right and wrong.

You see, when OP said that Clones can use DC-17 rifle I assumed that Clones can modify them to snipers and anti-tank versions. But if they can't do that, if they can use only basic blaster version of the rifle - they are dead men walking. And I assumed that OP tough about urban fight ( open ground with some cover ), in that case if Clones can't modify their guns they are going to be defeated by Stormtroopers.

And you are wrong about Clone Commandos being " pathfinders for the assault". They are special operation units, they work behind enemy lines and sabotage the enemy, kill commanders, steal tactical data etc... much like ARC troopers, but with ARC being better then Clone Commando ( source: "If you need a job done, you can send one ARC Trooper, 100 Clone Troopers, or 4 Clone Commandos." can't remember who said it but you get the point ).

In short - their role is more like Space Marines Scout one when we compare them to 40k universe.

Commandos are geneticaly superior.

Brother SRM wrote:

pretre wrote:Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

Or a mass grave, a mass grave would be lovely.

I feel like making a motivational picture on photoshop. And it is wargaming involved I wonder if the Mods would be okay with that XD

So are Space Marines ( even more then Clones ) and yet Guard can take them down with ease sometimes ( Gaunt ).

Brother Coa wrote:So are Space Marines ( even more then Clones ) and yet Guard can take them down with ease sometimes ( Gaunt ).

Don't start with the false comparisons again Coa.

The "Guard taking Marines down with ease" thing requires everything to be in perfect alignment. The only times Gaunt has killed traitor Astartes, it's been from ambush or while leading units who concentrated their firepower.

The only time that Gaunt has killed a traitor Astartes, 1v1, is in "Traitor General". He killed them using his power sword, when the Astartes were expecting no resistance.

Brother Coa wrote:And you are wrong about Clone Commandos being " pathfinders for the assault". They are special operation units, they work behind enemy lines and sabotage the enemy, kill commanders, steal tactical data etc...

That's what "pathfinders" are. They do things such as prepare drop zones, mark out enemy defenses for strikes, take out those defenses when necessary, etc.

much like ARC troopers, but with ARC being better then Clone Commando ( source: "If you need a job done, you can send one ARC Trooper, 100 Clone Troopers, or 4 Clone Commandos." can't remember who said it but you get the point ).

The ARC troopers are something else entirely. They operated by themselves, behind enemy lines, getting up to all sorts of things. Assassinations, kidnapping, demolitions, shenanigans.
The best description of them is "Pure Jango".

In short - their role is more like Space Marines Scout one when we compare them to 40k universe.

Not really. The Astartes scouts have no defined role. Some Chapters use them as skirmishers supporting the main advances, some use them as pathfinders for the main strike, and still others use them as a disruptive element of the main attack.

Yes by mentionning their modular gun I meant that they had the module for them (since you gotta find e'm in RC, also why I gave plasma gun to the Stormies)

And I though both units had the same roles, hence why I choose them, I know about the big SW vs 40k thread, but lets limit this to Stormtroopers and Commando alright?

Brother SRM wrote:

pretre wrote:Didn't we exile these 40k vs X threads to a sub-forum?

Or a mass grave, a mass grave would be lovely.

If only.

Well if it came down to a fist fight I think it is rather clear who would win, seeing as when the clones punch a knife pops out of their fist. Anyways Clones win, they have a window shield wiper in thier helmet .