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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 07:59:35
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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What weapons can be used in close combat? Do "Assault" weapons count as close combat weapons? If so, does that mean a Flamer,a Meltagun, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher, Rippergun and a Shotgun can be used if the unit falls into close combat?
I'm trying to help my blob guard squads a little bit since they seem to enjoy getting pulled into close combat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 08:51:18
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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If you mean in terms of adding CC attacks, the only weapons that do that are pistols. The designation /assault/ means they may be fired and still allow a charge. Read the manual under the descriptions of weapon terms like Rapid Fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 10:47:24
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Man O' War
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Assault weapons are weapons you fire, then assault afterwards.
Pistols are like assault weapons except you get +1 attack if you have a 2nd CCW
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 14:55:47
Subject: Re:Assault Weapons
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Wicked Warp Spider
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Also, you can never shoot when your unit is in assault. The unit uses gun butts, fists, knives, whatever they have, but they don't shoot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 15:39:19
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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danpieri wrote:What weapons can be used in close combat? Do "Assault" weapons count as close combat weapons? If so, does that mean a Flamer,a Meltagun, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher, Rippergun and a Shotgun can be used if the unit falls into close combat? I'm trying to help my blob guard squads a little bit since they seem to enjoy getting pulled into close combat. Lol wut? Heavy Bolters are heavy weapons. And no. Assault weapons are just weapons that allow to charge after firing them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:09:36
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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My bad on the HB. I meant to type STORM Bolter there.
OK, so what weapons CAN my people use in CC. Power fists, Power weapons and what else?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:13:54
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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danpieri wrote:My bad on the HB. I meant to type STORM Bolter there. OK, so what weapons CAN my people use in CC. Power fists, Power weapons and what else? Yes. Basically anyweapon that is clearly a CCW, in addition to pistols. You may not shoot the pistol however; you just get an additional attack. So for SM they can use the following in CC Close Combat weapons (chainswords and knives) Power Weapons Power Fists Force Weapons Crozius Dreadnaught close combat weapons and I forgot the rest Also power fists do not gain an additional attack unless if you have a pair of fists So fist + pistol = no +1 attacks Fist + fist = +1 attack Charging always give an additional attack, regardless of what the model is armed with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:25:03
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.
Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't net anotjer attsck. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:28:15
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.
Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't net anotjer attsck. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.
Who can take 2 TH  ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:33:45
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Chapter masters and captains mostly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:34:22
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Deadshot wrote:Chapter masters and captains mostly.
Aren't they two-handed weapons though?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:36:44
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.
Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't get another attack. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.
Who can take 2 TH  ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.
Death Company for BA can take 2 TH's, as can
Wolf Guard
Assault squad Sgt's
Vanguard Veterans
the list goes on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 16:44:33
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Vanilla Assault Squad sgts can take 4 lightning claws.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 17:57:49
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?
I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 18:01:14
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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danpieri wrote:What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?
I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.
Then I'm sorry to say you're playing the wrong army.
Any model that has both a pistol AND a close-combat weapon ( CCW) or special close-combat weapon gets a bonus attack for two weapons. However, rather than asking on the forum, the easiest and most thorough way to find the answers to your questions is simply to look in your rulebook. It's all there. There's even a nice sidebar listing the different kinds of weapons that can be used in close-combat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 21:58:48
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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DeathReaper wrote:CthuluIsSpy wrote:Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.
Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't get another attack. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.
Who can take 2 TH  ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.
Death Company for BA can take 2 TH's, as can
Wolf Guard
Assault squad Sgt's
Vanguard Veterans
the list goes on.
I think he means on the same model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 22:07:16
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Yes. They can take it on the same model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 22:14:22
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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danpieri wrote:What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW? Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon? I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC. Mate, I am sorry to say this, but if your opponent manages to get to the IG lines with enough men to cause them to break and run, then you did something wrong. Anyway, to answer your question, yes, the Sgt will get an extra attack with the HS laspistol and power weapon Do normal stormtroopers get pistols and ccws though? I wasn't aware that was possible.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/01/29 22:15:03
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 22:49:46
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Billagio wrote:DeathReaper wrote:CthuluIsSpy wrote:Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.
Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't get another attack. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.
Who can take 2 TH  ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.
Death Company for BA can take 2 TH's, as can
Wolf Guard
Assault squad Sgt's
Vanguard Veterans
the list goes on.
I think he means on the same model
Yes all those that I listed can have 2 TH on one model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/29 23:59:44
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Tilter at Windmills
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BeRzErKeR wrote:danpieri wrote:What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?
I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.
Then I'm sorry to say you're playing the wrong army. 
Or just using the wrong units. You can make large blob units out of multiple infantry squads from a platoon, say 30-50 men in strength, and give them a commissar to make them Ld9 and Stubborn. Put a standard within 12" and now you're taking morale tests on an unmodified 9 with a re-roll. Equip the commissar and sgts with power weapons, and you have 12-18 power weapon attacks (when NOT charging) every round, while your opponent kills unimportant chumps, and you grind his elite assault unit to dust while very rarely breaking.
If Purifiers hadn't become so common this unit (well, all-infantry IG armies built around this combo) would probably still be winning GTs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 18:52:14
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Man O' War
Nosey, ain't ya?
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Anyway, to answer your question, yes, the Sgt will get an extra attack with the HS laspistol and power weapon
Do normal stormtroopers get pistols and ccws though? I wasn't aware that was possible.
It is indeed:
Storm trooper wargear:
Carapace armour
HS lasgun
HS laspistol
CCW
Frag+Krak grenades
As said before if they're getting into CQB with your guard you're doing something wrong
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 19:01:34
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not really - blob squads with hidden power weapons put the hurt on even TH/SS termis. Stubborn Ld9 with a reroll is hard to get rid of....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/01 13:21:27
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Deadshot wrote:Vanilla Assault Squad sgts can take 4 lightning claws.
Holy crap you're right. I never noticed that. I thought the Imperium frowned upon four-armed mutants?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/01 14:59:05
Subject: Assault Weapons
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.
Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't net anotjer attsck. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.
Who can take 2 TH  ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.
How about 6 squads of 30-man units of Death Company?
That's 360 Thunder Hammers!
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