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What weapons can be used in close combat? Do "Assault" weapons count as close combat weapons? If so, does that mean a Flamer,a Meltagun, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher, Rippergun and a Shotgun can be used if the unit falls into close combat?
I'm trying to help my blob guard squads a little bit since they seem to enjoy getting pulled into close combat.

 
   
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If you mean in terms of adding CC attacks, the only weapons that do that are pistols. The designation /assault/ means they may be fired and still allow a charge. Read the manual under the descriptions of weapon terms like Rapid Fire.
   
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Assault weapons are weapons you fire, then assault afterwards.

Pistols are like assault weapons except you get +1 attack if you have a 2nd CCW

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Also, you can never shoot when your unit is in assault. The unit uses gun butts, fists, knives, whatever they have, but they don't shoot.

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danpieri wrote:What weapons can be used in close combat? Do "Assault" weapons count as close combat weapons? If so, does that mean a Flamer,a Meltagun, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher, Rippergun and a Shotgun can be used if the unit falls into close combat?
I'm trying to help my blob guard squads a little bit since they seem to enjoy getting pulled into close combat.


Lol wut? Heavy Bolters are heavy weapons.

And no. Assault weapons are just weapons that allow to charge after firing them.

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Montain Home, Ar

My bad on the HB. I meant to type STORM Bolter there.

OK, so what weapons CAN my people use in CC. Power fists, Power weapons and what else?

 
   
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danpieri wrote:My bad on the HB. I meant to type STORM Bolter there.

OK, so what weapons CAN my people use in CC. Power fists, Power weapons and what else?


Yes. Basically anyweapon that is clearly a CCW, in addition to pistols. You may not shoot the pistol however; you just get an additional attack.

So for SM they can use the following in CC

Close Combat weapons (chainswords and knives)
Power Weapons
Power Fists
Force Weapons
Crozius
Dreadnaught close combat weapons

and I forgot the rest

Also power fists do not gain an additional attack unless if you have a pair of fists

So fist + pistol = no +1 attacks
Fist + fist = +1 attack

Charging always give an additional attack, regardless of what the model is armed with.

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There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.

Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't net anotjer attsck. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.

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Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.

Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't net anotjer attsck. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.


Who can take 2 TH ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.

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Chapter masters and captains mostly.

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Deadshot wrote:Chapter masters and captains mostly.


Aren't they two-handed weapons though?

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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.

Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't get another attack. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.


Who can take 2 TH ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.


Death Company for BA can take 2 TH's, as can

Wolf Guard
Assault squad Sgt's
Vanguard Veterans

the list goes on.

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Vanilla Assault Squad sgts can take 4 lightning claws.

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What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?

I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.

 
   
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danpieri wrote:What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?

I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.


Then I'm sorry to say you're playing the wrong army.

Any model that has both a pistol AND a close-combat weapon (CCW) or special close-combat weapon gets a bonus attack for two weapons. However, rather than asking on the forum, the easiest and most thorough way to find the answers to your questions is simply to look in your rulebook. It's all there. There's even a nice sidebar listing the different kinds of weapons that can be used in close-combat.

 
   
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DeathReaper wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.

Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't get another attack. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.


Who can take 2 TH ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.


Death Company for BA can take 2 TH's, as can

Wolf Guard
Assault squad Sgt's
Vanguard Veterans

the list goes on.


I think he means on the same model

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Yes. They can take it on the same model.

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danpieri wrote:What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?

I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.


Mate, I am sorry to say this, but if your opponent manages to get to the IG lines with enough men to cause them to break and run, then you did something wrong.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes, the Sgt will get an extra attack with the HS laspistol and power weapon
Do normal stormtroopers get pistols and ccws though? I wasn't aware that was possible.

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Billagio wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.

Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't get another attack. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.


Who can take 2 TH ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.


Death Company for BA can take 2 TH's, as can

Wolf Guard
Assault squad Sgt's
Vanguard Veterans

the list goes on.


I think he means on the same model

Yes all those that I listed can have 2 TH on one model.

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BeRzErKeR wrote:
danpieri wrote:What all can IG take into CC. Can my stormtroopers with their HS Laspistols get a bonus with their CCW?
Also, can my mariety of Sgts. get a bonus attack with their pistol weapon and a power weapon?

I am asking these questions because I am tired of my IG getting "swept away" when they get forced into CC.


Then I'm sorry to say you're playing the wrong army.


Or just using the wrong units. You can make large blob units out of multiple infantry squads from a platoon, say 30-50 men in strength, and give them a commissar to make them Ld9 and Stubborn. Put a standard within 12" and now you're taking morale tests on an unmodified 9 with a re-roll. Equip the commissar and sgts with power weapons, and you have 12-18 power weapon attacks (when NOT charging) every round, while your opponent kills unimportant chumps, and you grind his elite assault unit to dust while very rarely breaking.

If Purifiers hadn't become so common this unit (well, all-infantry IG armies built around this combo) would probably still be winning GTs.

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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Anyway, to answer your question, yes, the Sgt will get an extra attack with the HS laspistol and power weapon
Do normal stormtroopers get pistols and ccws though? I wasn't aware that was possible.


It is indeed:

Storm trooper wargear:
Carapace armour
HS lasgun
HS laspistol
CCW
Frag+Krak grenades

As said before if they're getting into CQB with your guard you're doing something wrong

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Not really - blob squads with hidden power weapons put the hurt on even TH/SS termis. Stubborn Ld9 with a reroll is hard to get rid of....
   
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Deadshot wrote:Vanilla Assault Squad sgts can take 4 lightning claws.
Holy crap you're right. I never noticed that. I thought the Imperium frowned upon four-armed mutants?
   
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Deadshot wrote:There are also Lightning Claws, and Thunder Hammers.

Again, LC or TH and a pistol doesn't net anotjer attsck. You need a 2nd of the same weapon for those 3.


Who can take 2 TH ? That sounds weird. Like angry marine weird.

How about 6 squads of 30-man units of Death Company?

That's 360 Thunder Hammers!
   
 
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