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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 18:49:09
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Fresh-Faced New User
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A charmed shield negates the first hit on a 2+.
What if I have killing blow and a do 1 wound and 1 killing blow wound in the same round of combat? Which wound is the first wound?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 18:58:23
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They both happen at the same time, so your only choice is to randomise OR believe they fall under page 10, sequencing, in which case it is owning players choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 19:01:17
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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The wounds do not matter charmed shield discounts HITS not WOUNDS
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 19:05:47
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Johnny-Crass wrote:The wounds do not matter charmed shield discounts HITS not WOUNDS
I think the issue here is they rolled hits THEN wounds before letting the opposing player use their Charmed Shield effect. In which case, randomizing between ALL hits (whether they wound or no) for the Charmed Shield is rule of day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 20:15:44
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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The question of timing is more applicable to the case of (for example) a successful poison and one generic hit.
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“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.
On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/30 20:48:51
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Which has the same answer: either you beleive it falls under p10 Sequencing, or you roll off. There is no other option
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/31 01:11:02
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Right, I agree. Just trying to point out a circumstance where the question (and your answer) are more applicable.
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“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.
On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/31 02:18:56
Subject: Re:Charmed Shield
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Been Around the Block
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If you have a charmed shield, tell your opponent before attack dice are rolled. The dice can then be rolled one at a time until a hit is scored.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/31 04:47:31
Subject: Re:Charmed Shield
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Duke_Corwin wrote:If you have a charmed shield, tell your opponent before attack dice are rolled. The dice can then be rolled one at a time until a hit is scored.
But that is not how it works at all. All attacks are made simultaneously in the case of one model attacking him
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/31 09:59:35
Subject: Re:Charmed Shield
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Duke_Corwin wrote:If you have a charmed shield, tell your opponent before attack dice are rolled. The dice can then be rolled one at a time until a hit is scored.
Except you dont roll attacks like that. ALL attacks at the same Init happen at the same game-time, regardless of how you roll them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/31 10:41:46
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Cosmic Joe
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One hit is picked randomly then?
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/31 10:57:47
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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....or you decide page 10 applies, which i dont think it does, in which case the player whose turn it is chooses
Given these as options 3 times now, as there is no specific rule i can find.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/01 04:30:03
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Killer Klaivex
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nosferatu1001 wrote:....or you decide page 10 applies, which i dont think it does, in which case the player whose turn it is chooses
Given these as options 3 times now, as there is no specific rule i can find.
I think Page 10 is the answer. Only because I cannot find a reference in 8th that does tell you to randomize for any type of situation like this.
-Matt
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/02 06:38:42
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Long-Range Ultramarine Land Speeder Pilot
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Which has the same answer: either you beleive it falls under p10 Sequencing, or you roll off. There is no other option
Tottal agreed!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/13 03:40:29
Subject: Charmed Shield
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Been Around the Block
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The 2+ save should have occured immediately after the to-hit rolls were made and due to the fact that they occured at the same initiative it should randomize between the attacks unless they were all the same then it doesn't really matter.
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