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Here's my first ever fantasy list, not played anything past the intro game at my flgs. My only current purchase is the sorceror lord model, everything else is wishlisting.

I don't really want to go with a spammy army, I want to go for something a bit different where I can. Here's what I have so far, your thoughts are appreciated!

Heroes

Lvl 2 Sorceror (general) = 220 points
- Mark of tzeench
- power familiar
- spell familiar
- conjoined homonculous
- Disk of tzeench

Exalted Hero = 196 points
- BSB with banner of the gods
- barded chaos steed
- bronze armour of Zhrakk
- biting blade
- favour of the gods
- Mark of Nurgle

Exalted Hero = 196 points
- barded chaos steed
- Mark of Nurgle
- armour of dargan
- biting blade
- favour of the gods

Core

9x Marauder Horsemen (BSB goes here) = 183 points
- shields
- throwing spears
- musician
- chieftain

9x Marauder Horsemen (2nd Exalted Hero goes here) = 165 points
- shields
- throwing spears
- musician
- chieftain
- standard bearer

10x Chaos Warriors = 275 points
- Mark of Khorne
- Great Weapons
- Musician
- Champion
- Standard bearer with magical Banner of Wrath

5x Chaos Warhounds = 30 points

5 x Chaos Warhounds = 30 points

Rare

Hellcannon = 205 points

So that's bang on 1500 points right there. The tactical theory is that the the marauders and their exalted heroes take the flanks, with a unit of warhounds running out ahead of them as cannon fodder, by the time the warhounds are dead and gone the marauders should be within charge range. Should they still be out of range, the Mark of Nurgle will make ranged attacks a tad more difficult. The Chaos Warriors go straight up the middle, with the sorceror following in their wake, and the hellcannon behind the lot of them.

I accept that I've spent a massive portion of my points allocation on my heroes... I'm just a bit of an upgrades / named characters whore to be honest

When I eventually get to branch out further, I'll be addding more Warriors, and Chaos Warrior Cavalry. For Storm of Magic games, I'll be hoping to add pact bound TK Ushabti with great bows for some added ranged punch. That or VC Liche Priest and a horde or 2 of skeleton archers so I can just keep adding to the unit size as the game progresses.

Questions:

- What's the range of the hellcannon?
- Just to double check a seemingly stupid question, are pages 110 - 111 of the army book the gifts of chaos, and everything else is a magic item? I feel pretty thick for asking that though it wasn't too clear when I was looking through where one lot endsand the other begins.
- What does frenzy do? Re-rolls? Extra attacks? (I have no BRB, just the army book)
- Is it possible to take (for instance) a great weapon on an Exalted Hero and then 'magically imbue' it to be a magic weapon (so you effectively get the benefits of the type of weapon it is + magical benefits? Greedy I know, but....

Thanks for reading, and looking forward to your thoughts!

Don't have much time to read your list on detail but with a quick look I see there are lots of illegal combinations. In fantasy you can only have one of each kind of magic item, nullifying the biting blades on the heroes. Also if the BSB carries a magical banner he can't choose any magic items. Oh and you need a lord on the army, I'm guessing the sorc is the lord/general still it goes on the Lords category instead of heroes. I'll give it a real read in a few mins meanwhile look for cowpows16's thread regarding WoC units it helps a lot

Damn.... good point, I'd forgotten about the no stacking magical items rule... off we go for a quick rewrite!

As for the Lords, I thought you couldnt take a lord character for less than 2000 point armies? Just heroes only (so sorceror & exalted heroes)


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Removing the armour & biting blade from the BSB, reckon I'd add in a shield and give acid ichor to the 2nd EH (who'll be responsible for character hunting)

I think they changed that in the last edition now the army composition is based on percentages from the total of your army, I think you can spend 25% on a lord.... so out of 1500 that would be a 375 pts lord

Awesome... though would that be 1500 points of troops + 25% cost for the lord (total army cost therefore 1875), or is it 1125 of troops with a 375 point lord so the total cost is 1500 points?


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Next question:

The army book states that you can have 0-3 heroes for armies under 2000 points, if I include a Lord, do I still get to take the 3 heroes as well, or just 2?

The 0-3 hero restriction (and lord restriction for that matter) is gone. It is replaced with the percentage system. Which is:
up to 25% Lords
up to 25% Heroes
So for 1500pts you could spend 375 points on Lords and 375 points on heroes.

2 things I note about your army:
1) The Chaos Warrior unit is a bit small. A small unit should ideally be 15 models.
2) You're dumping a lot of points on marauder horsemen and including characters in them, which means you are not treating them like fast cavalry, which they are. If you want a fast, hard hitting unit, take 5 Chaos Knights. Marauder Horsemen are best left harassing flanks and hunting war machines.

Cool beans, looks like I can take this force up to 2000 points easily enough then! How many units / models would you expect to face in a 1500-2000 point army?

Depends who it is, my Skaven feature 200+ with artillery and monsters

Ok, so what would make you sweat then? And I don't mean completely table you, just make for a close matched woc victory?

Lord Yayula wrote:Don't have much time to read your list on detail but with a quick look I see there are lots of illegal combinations. In fantasy you can only have one of each kind of magic item, nullifying the biting blades on the heroes. Also if the BSB carries a magical banner he can't choose any magic items. Oh and you need a lord on the army, I'm guessing the sorc is the lord/general still it goes on the Lords category instead of heroes.

You don't have to take a Lord, you simply must take at least one character to be your general (the general is the model with the highest LD (who isn't a BSB) - in the case of a tie you get to choose). The issue with your list is that you have 612 points in Heroes (41%). An easy fix would be to make the level 2 into a level 3 or 4 sorcerer lord, thus splitting your characters across categories.

But there are other illegal things. Let us sum, with some suggestions to fix:
1) Too many points in Heroes -> sorcerer to sorcerer lord
2) Sorcerer allowed only one arcane item (power or spell familiar) -> choose one (power familiar or dispel scroll or infernal puppet)
3) BSB not allowed magic items if magic banner taken -> drop incredibly expensive banner and focus on survival gear (i.e. WARD SAVE!)
4) Magic items cannot be duplicated (biting blade, favor) -> drop from BSB

I think that covers the legality side of things. I have other thoughts that have been mostly said - over-reliance on horsemen is sad (strip units down to 2x 5 w/ spears, t.spears, shields, musician, then pick up 5+ knights), warriors are too small (18!) - but those depend on points and your modeling inclinations.

- Salvage

Boss did a good job summing it up this list needs a bit of an overhaul.

I would suggest checking out the link below for a bit of an intro to the army.
I would also suggest either getting a brb or the mini rule book from the island of blood. If you can get it locally good if not check eBay they usually are not too expensive.

You don't really need 2 exalted heroes at this points level.

Ward saved more of them armor is good but ward saves are important to
keep your high priced characters alive.

Warriors of Chaos don't generally field too many guys, unless you're fielding big blocks of marauders with great weapons and the Mark of Khorne (point for point, the most efficient model in the game). I've seen 2000pt Warriors lists with near 200 models, and I've seen some with around 50.

Luckily for you, Warriors are probably the top dogs of fantasy right now. They're all-around good.

I can see my core choices being made up of 2 fifths warriors and 3 fifths marauders.

And my general riding a juggernaut of khorne. With 2 exalted heroes, both riding juggernauts. With a lot of magic weapons and armour. With always strikes first... YAAAAAAAAARGHHHH TAKE THAT YA BLIGHTERS.

Ahem. Sorry.

I want a lot of character in this, and am really looking forward to geting the ball rolling! Getting married in march so it'll be april before I can do anything, but still, excited! Is that odd of me?!

Love the army book that they have too, there's so much in there!


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Boss Salvage wrote:3) BSB not allowed magic items if magic banner taken -> drop incredibly expensive banner and focus on survival gear (i.e. WARD SAVE!)

Just to double check, in the BSB entry it says "an exalted hero can be upgraded to BSB for 25 points, he can then select a banner of any points value" or something to that effect...

Have a been a bit of an idiot by assuming that you don't have to include the points cost of that barrier when totalling everything up, as the way it was worded kind of made me think it was "free" (insert in advance here)