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When I play against a local BA player, he usually doesn't use the Storm Raven stand. This allows him to "park" his Storm Raven behind cover. I know that this is a gray area but these are friendly games so I don't mind.

The question is: from your experience, is it possible for Stormraven to get cover save from a single story building, given that the stand of the SR is > 3" high. I don't own BA so I need your help please.

No.

And it's not a grey area - he has to use the base provided.

in reality no. You are supposed to use the stand it comes with so full flyer stand. The strom raven should be pretty high up there.

When it comes to cover, it is again 50% of the vehicle should be obscured. Quite hard for some giant vehicles like the SR.

Yeah, that is just flat-out cheating. You can't "park" your skimmer anywhere.

You are only allowed to remove the flying base in 2 situations (and thats only if your skimmer is not glued down):
1. Vehicle Immobilized
2. Vehicle Destroyed - Wrecked!

If a friend lost/broke/didn't want to use his flight stand, I'd allow it as long as I get full LoS to it from anywhere on the board. It's a huge vehicle for a reason. Allowing him to get cover saves from skimming along the ground like a Monolith is just someone trying to cheat to get an unfair advantage.

Once I played a game with someone used a Farseer model to proxy a C'tan. I agreed to the proxy assuming the guy would be cool and let me have liberal LoS, but no. He was hiding him behind tiny walls and trees and saying I didn't have LoS. I suggest you do what I did and let the guy know that that kind of behavior was making him TFG and that no one in the FLGS would want to play him whether or not he ever used another proxy regardless of him pulling that crap in a "friendly" game.

leohart wrote:When I play against a local BA player, he usually doesn't use the Storm Raven stand. This allows him to "park" his Storm Raven behind cover. I know that this is a gray area but these are friendly games so I don't mind.

He is not allowed to not use the base, as models need to be glued to the base they came with (P.3) in order to be used.

leohart wrote:The question is: from your experience, is it possible for Stormraven to get cover save from a single story building, given that the stand of the SR is > 3" high. I don't own BA so I need your help please.

As for your question of " is it possible for Stormraven to get cover save from a single story building?"

It certainly is possible, but this question is more difficult to answer as it fully relies on the positioning of the two units and the TLoS between them.

It is like asking How long is a piece of string?

I guess a better question is how tall is a raven base?

Same height as the Vendetta/Valkyrie, the DE large skimmers, etc

5-6 inches? I play nids and we don't have a "flyer" so I'm not 100% sure.

Abour 6 IIRC.

The balance to the potency of the vehicles that get that stand is that they really have a hard time getting cover saves.

He needs to put it on it's stand.

Just assume the storm raven is still on it's flight stand for purposes of LOS and whatnot. I use other vehicles that are still missing flying bases, and I always point this out before the game starts.

Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

You pretty much have to bounce it across the table for the whole game despite it clearly flying!?

Jihadnik wrote:Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

No, pretty much the opposite, really.

Part of why Storm Raven isn't as powerful as it seems on paper is this difficulty in getting cover saves. I only ever play urban maps and it's still incredibly difficult to get cover while remaining in a position to use its weaponry.
So no, he's cheating. If you were being charitable you'd say it was unintentional but the difficulty of getting cover is a very obvious threat to any player with half a brain.

Jihadnik wrote:Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

You pretty much have to bounce it across the table for the whole game despite it clearly flying!?

As kirsanth said - you've been doing it wrong. You're only allowed to remove the base when wrecked or immobilized.

Jihadnik wrote:Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

You're probably referring to this quote: "Note that a skimmer must be set down on the table and left in place at the end of its move - it cannot be left hovering in mid-air!" A lot of people seems to think that it means you should remove the base each time you move it, but "set down on the table" means that you have to set the skimmer (with base attached) on the table.

Jihadnik wrote:Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

You pretty much have to bounce it across the table for the whole game despite it clearly flying!?

I've actually run into others that thought the same thing due to this phrase in the Skimmer rules:

Skimmers can move over friendly and enemy models, but they cannot end their move on top of either. Note that a skimmer must be set down on the table and left in place at the end of its move – it cannot be left hovering in mid-air!

That does not mean take it off the base, it means set the base on the table.

Jihadnik wrote:Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

Others have pointed out the rules against this viewpoint, but just to hammer it into the ground, what would be the point of skimmers having a base if you only put it on the model when it is moving?

puma713 wrote:Yeah, that is just flat-out cheating.

Am I the only one that saw this amazing pun?

insaniak wrote:

Jihadnik wrote:Hang on a second all, I am pretty sure that skimmers have to be removed from thier stand and put on the ground during each turn. That seems to be what I have to do with my Valkyries and I hate it, but doesn't it say that in the rules?

Others have pointed out the rules against this viewpoint, but just to hammer it into the ground, what would be the point of skimmers having a base if you only put it on the model when it is moving?

Doh!

Wow, I flat out suck then...I've been...well, never mind then, thanks for the clarification all, don't feel guilty at hammering it home, it just makes me more happy to be wrong because it always bugged me!

If he wants to play it like that then tell him its gone to ground, seems kinda fair lol.

But seriously no, even then if its more than 50% Visible its still got no cover save....

I find that in friendly games, we usually let people take it off the stand if they got it to balance on top of something sorta unstable or near the board edge and we don't want people knocking it down and potentially breaking some 60 bucks and 200 bucks of love and painting.

Dunwich wrote:

puma713 wrote:Yeah, that is just flat-out cheating.

Am I the only one that saw this amazing pun?

*cue rim shot*

This is why you need to use a Librarian with Shrouding in the Storm Raven.

I have yet to meet a GK army in Stormraven but I heard Shrouding is pretty ridiculous.

no more so than the rest of the GK codex