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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/07 22:26:31
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Camouflaged Zero
Where the sun crosses the field of blood.
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Okay... So new try! I have put together a list based on what I've got (and can reasonably get before the tourny), what I want to play and what's good, combined as I see fit.
Every comment is appreciated!
Oh, and if you're wondering, the second number in each cost is the comp from the Swedish comp system... If you happen to be familiar with it.
Lord: 410
Sir Novkaer
Vampire Lord
Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare
Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation, Ogre Blade
Quickblood, Aura of Dark Majesty, Beguile
= 410 / -22
Heroes: 380
Necromancer
Lvl 2, Dispel Scroll
= 125 / -14
Necromancer
Lvl 2, The Cursed Book
= 135 / -11
The Kingslayer
Wight King
Sword of Striking, Charmed Shield, The Other Trickster's Shard
= 120 / -5
Core: 715
40 Skeletons
Full Command
The Screaming Banner
= 255 / -5
40 Skeletons
Full Command
= 230 / -5
10 Skeletons - 50 / -1 (Necromancer Bunker)
20 Zombies - 60 / -4 (Necromancer Bunker)
5 Dire Wolves - 40 / -2
5 Dire Wolves - 40 / -4
5 Dire Wolves - 40 / -8
Special: 692
20 Grave Guards (7 wide, The Kingslayer here)
Great Weapons
Full Command
Banner of the Barrows
= 320 / -22
9 Black Knights (Sir Novkaer here)
Lance, Barding
Full Command
Banner of Eternal Flame
= 274 / -22
Spirit Host - 45 / -5
Spirit Host - 45 / -8
Total points: 2197
Total Comp: 16.2
Comp for the tournament is 12 - 20. You recieve 100 extra VP for every point of comp you have more than your opponent.
Ideally I would've wanted a second Zombie unit bunker for my Necro, but... I just don't have that many zombies...
Base plan is simple enough. Skeletons and Grave Guard form a Phalanx, backed up by the Necros. Dire Wolves enable a little controlling of the field so nothing gets too out of hand. Spirit Hosts share that role, but may also tie up monsters very well should they need to, and they along with Wolves are going to be my first drops, scattered over the battlefield and hoping to force my opponent to deploy first. The Black Knights + Lord form a strong flank, and are going to break the opponents battleline from there. Sir Novkaer is kitter for challenges, and The Kingslayer is kitted for character-killing (hitting on 2+, forcing re-rolls on ward saves? Yes please.)
So... What are your thoughts? Something I should chage? Any questions? Any tips?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 12:18:18
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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You should probably throw a bab in there just for the one less to die part.
You might be better served with giving your vamp dawnstone instead of the talisman, your more likely to die from mass S3-5 attacks then you are from a cannon/bolt thrower etc as your in a unit
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 14:25:57
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Camouflaged Zero
Where the sun crosses the field of blood.
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Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:You should probably throw a bab in there just for the one less to die part.
You might be better served with giving your vamp dawnstone instead of the talisman, your more likely to die from mass S3-5 attacks then you are from a cannon/bolt thrower etc as your in a unit
Hm, yeah, a bsb might actually be a good investment. I think I'll include one if I get the time to get a model for it.
As for the Dawnstone... What you say is true. I had always consider ToP to be all-important, but a re-roll might be just as good... However, that leaves me without protection should I fail the LoS, and defenseless against things that ignore armour... But I actually don't know how common armour-ignoring things are. Are they to fear? As it stands now, I'm cloven between the Dawnstone and the Talisman...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 14:30:29
Subject: Re:2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Speed Drybrushing
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Keep the talisman. Anything that thinks it can hurt a vampire lord, is going to negate some armor anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 14:36:46
Subject: Re:2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Camouflaged Zero
Where the sun crosses the field of blood.
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buckero0 wrote:Keep the talisman. Anything that thinks it can hurt a vampire lord, is going to negate some armor anyway.
That is true, but it still needs S7 to decrease the odds. And from what I know, most things are S6 or lower.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 15:55:29
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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Wont the black knights lose ethereal if you put the vampire in the unit?
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Check out this comp!http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/498307.page
My P&M Blog:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/497661.page
2500 Brothers of Sanguinor
2500 Purifiers
750 : Bad Wolves
2 successful trades: TemplarCoyote, blood angel
P.M. for a reference! K.C.C.O.! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 17:46:11
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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That is true, but it still needs S7 to decrease the odds. And from what I know, most things are S6 or lower.
Not as true as you'd think. Any Ogre or Tomb King character is likely to have a great weapon and be S7. Lots of things are armour piercing particularly given the razor standard and anything with a potion of strength is going to be S7-8 and magical buffs can raise this further. Not to mention killing blow which is becoming more and more common.
Anything that is S6 or less shouldn't be a threat to your Vamp anyway. Except units mass attacking him but at max that is 9 models and with beguile and aura your Vamp looks like he's better off in a challenge. Also given that he's in a unit of knights he should be fighting against massed ranks at all anyway...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 18:13:22
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Camouflaged Zero
Where the sun crosses the field of blood.
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Eldartau: That is true. I would have preferred him to be in a unit of Blood Knights, but I don't have the resources to get hold of Blood Knights before the tourney. Also, whilst I love Spectral Steeds, they don't loose too much on it. I gain the ability to march at all times and it's a very good bunker for him.
FlingIt: What you say is true, hadn't thought too much about it. I'll keep the Talisman!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 21:53:16
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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@The CF, I had mixed feelings about it but maybe I will give it a try and get back to you. Maybe we can compare results.
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Check out this comp!http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/498307.page
My P&M Blog:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/497661.page
2500 Brothers of Sanguinor
2500 Purifiers
750 : Bad Wolves
2 successful trades: TemplarCoyote, blood angel
P.M. for a reference! K.C.C.O.! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 22:01:33
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Camouflaged Zero
Where the sun crosses the field of blood.
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eldartau1987 wrote:@The CF, I had mixed feelings about it but maybe I will give it a try and get back to you. Maybe we can compare results.
Sounds like a plan. I have tried it once so far, and it turned out well. Though I guess it all comes down to terrain set-up.
But yes, comparing results sound like a very good plan!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 15:58:41
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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Ill get back to you after the weekend.
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Check out this comp!http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/498307.page
My P&M Blog:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/497661.page
2500 Brothers of Sanguinor
2500 Purifiers
750 : Bad Wolves
2 successful trades: TemplarCoyote, blood angel
P.M. for a reference! K.C.C.O.! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 17:32:54
Subject: 2200 Vampire Counts for Tournament
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Killer Klaivex
Oceanside, CA
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My experience with comp = VP and vampires is that you should always try and max out on comp.
Vampires are generally durable enough that you can get by with a less optimal build, play for a draw, and win with the difference in comp victory points.
It's why I don't like that type of comp scoring.
-Matt
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