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Hey guys,

A bloke at my club recently mentioned that Wayland games and a lot of other companies have gotten around the embargo. I was just wondering if anyone is aware as to whether or not Wayland will ship to Australia these days?

Thanks!

~Ghost

Last I heard they were still setting up their ROW service, not sure if it's up. But you can use freight forwarders to get around it anyway, having it shipped somewhere they're allowed to ship to then mailing it over to you. Helps if you have relatives there so they can do it for you.

I will volunteer my help to get around the embargo. Shipping stuff onward is not a problem.

Only Wayland Games are looking at getting around the embargo, and like nOt_u said, they're still working on it.

However, you can order from Dicebucket. They are US based, and a have shopping cart system. Even with shipping, you save about 50%. However, they get around the whole 'no cart system in the US' by stripping everything out of the box and shipping it as used bits, so you get everything (still on the sprue, they don't remove that) besides the box if that matters to you. They also only do plastic kits, not metal or finecast.

-Loki- wrote:Only Wayland Games are looking at getting around the embargo, and like nOt_u said, they're still working on it.

However, you can order from Dicebucket. They are US based, and a have shopping cart system. Even with shipping, you save about 50%. However, they get around the whole 'no cart system in the US' by stripping everything out of the box and shipping it as used bits, so you get everything (still on the sprue, they don't remove that) besides the box if that matters to you. They also only do plastic kits, not metal or finecast.

And Dicebucket is a great site-I just used their services, and I highly recommend them

There's also this, which a couple of my friends have used a few times.

The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more gamer's dollars will slip through your fingers.

puma713 wrote:The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more gamer's dollars will slip through your fingers.

I agree

I was browsing through the Aussie GW site yesterday (no intention to buy, just to look around and get modelling ideas) and the Aussie prices are pretty absurd (more so than I remember). I know I’ve made comments in the past on how certain products (such as Bloodknights and Master of Ravenwing) have an extreme Aussie price tag, but it seems even the “core range” has unrealistic pricing.

A standard box of troops on average retails for around $65-75AUD. I saw 5 finecast Raptors as well as the Khorne Berserker box being sold for $75AUD. Even with the embargo, no one is going to be paying these prices. I mean the cost of buying a few boxes of troops + transports, one could easily buy a gaming console (plus games and accessories) and get far more back for their buck.

I personally expect to see GW’s presence in Australia rightfully die within the next 5 years (with 40k being sold as an export product through FLGS).

H.B.M.C. wrote:There's also this, which a couple of my friends have used a few times.

Heh, that's an interesting store. Bulk GW. 3 Carnifexes for ~$140au with shipping? Nice. 3 Trygons for ~$150au including shipping? Wow (bear in mind, we pay $96au each). These are the kinds of discounts you get from Dicebucket.

edit - thought it was an Australian store. Seems in line with what Dicebucket offers, but slightly cheaper shipping.

-Loki- wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:There's also this, which a couple of my friends have used a few times.

Heh, that's an interesting store. Bulk GW. 3 Carnifexes for ~$140au with shipping? Nice. 3 Trygons for ~$150au including shipping? Wow (bear in mind, we pay $96au each). These are the kinds of discounts you get from Dicebucket.

edit - thought it was an Australian store. Seems in line with what Dicebucket offers, but slightly cheaper shipping.

DB is generally cheaper for my necrons than discount games, and I don't actually think it's legal for a store outside of the US to ship to us but hey, anything to screw their shareholders out of money for supporting them doing it (or if it's from some saps' superfund, idiotic managers who thought it'd be a good investment).

Granted, there are even cheaper stores still that sell old 2nd-hand minis they picked up for usually half the bulk prices you can get, and I don't mind a little simple green and a loving home.

Shaozun wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:There's also this, which a couple of my friends have used a few times.

Heh, that's an interesting store. Bulk GW. 3 Carnifexes for ~$140au with shipping? Nice. 3 Trygons for ~$150au including shipping? Wow (bear in mind, we pay $96au each). These are the kinds of discounts you get from Dicebucket.

edit - thought it was an Australian store. Seems in line with what Dicebucket offers, but slightly cheaper shipping.

DB is generally cheaper for my necrons than discount games, and I don't actually think it's legal for a store outside of the US to ship to us but hey

Depends. If it's second hand (ie how Dicebucket does it, strip it out of the box) I don't think the embargo stops it. Same reasoning why Dicebucket is allowed to have a shopping cart system for GW products in the US, they're technically second hand once they've left the box.

Shaozun wrote:Granted, there are even cheaper stores still that sell old 2nd-hand minis they picked up for usually half the bulk prices you can get, and I don't mind a little simple green and a loving home.

I dislike this mothod because it's impossible to tell the condition of the model from anything but the most detailed, up close pictures. Sure you can strip it with simplegreen or dettol, but what if it's covered in sprue scars, knife slips, overzealous filing on mold lines, etc. A lot of the time, it's more work than it's worth on how much you saved.

puma713 wrote:The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more gamer's dollars will slip through your fingers.

Not after we demonstrate the capabilities of this Embargo. In a way, you have determined the choice of the site that will be destroyed first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the money we desire, we have chosen to test this embargo's destructive power on your home fansite of Dakkadakka

I joke of course

No Dakka is peaceful... kinda... we have no... well... we probably have lots of weapons but you can't possibly!

puma713 wrote:The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more gamer's dollars will slip through your fingers.

Not really. They still get the initial payout for the product from whomever you are buying it from.

Now, where they will lose money is from the loss in business from the local stores that will go out of business because you are not supporting them. Once the game stores are gone, and no one is being recruited into the hobby or when people do not have a place to play, they will lose the business new players bring.

The average gamer doesn't think that way though.....I know a lot of local parents who ordered product and armies through ebay for their kids, and got mad when the local GW went out of business. Only have themselves to blame...

Murdock129 wrote:

puma713 wrote:The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more gamer's dollars will slip through your fingers.

Not after we demonstrate the capabilities of this Embargo. In a way, you have determined the choice of the site that will be destroyed first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the money we desire, we have chosen to test this embargo's destructive power on your home fansite of Dakkadakka

I joke of course

That's not an Embargo! It's a cease and desist letter!

Now you shall witness the power of this MANDATED and FULLY OPERATIONAL embargo!

IT'S A TRAP!


Hey, that line ALWAYS works!

KGatch113 wrote:

puma713 wrote:The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more gamer's dollars will slip through your fingers.

Not really. They still get the initial payout for the product from whomever you are buying it from.

Now, where they will lose money is from the loss in business from the local stores that will go out of business because you are not supporting them. Once the game stores are gone, and no one is being recruited into the hobby or when people do not have a place to play, they will lose the business new players bring.

The average gamer doesn't think that way though.....I know a lot of local parents who ordered product and armies through ebay for their kids, and got mad when the local GW went out of business. Only have themselves to blame...

Wrong, they ship to us costing more for wholesale which is why places like the forge cannot go any lower without making a loss, so they are losing money from these sites.

Yet it costs GW roughly $5-10 to make a $55 box of minis.

I also think it's funny that the manufacturer often has the most expensive price for their products, like logitech, microsoft, etc.

Brought some glue from GW today (couldn't buy it from bitzbarn). No GW staffer there has ever been able to give me a solid answer for why Australian prices are twice US prices.

But if you do some digging, apparently we pay twice as much for video games, too. And shoes start at 80 dollars and go up past 200. My new laptop cost me 1800 dollars; I doubt it'd have cost more than a thousand in the states. A loaf of quality bread (and not square white crap) would be about 4 dollars. It's clearly not shipping, because it's clearly not going to double the price.

The simple answer, then, is that the supply/demand curve for the Australian market equalizes at roughly twice the price for US products, in all areas.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3726692.html <There's an article from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation on Australia's economic state compared to the rest of the world.

We're all swimming in the gold of our financial success. BHP made 20 billion dollars in net, -actual- profit last financial year. We told the GFC to go screw itself and 11% total foreign debt has us laughing.

The tl;dr, ladies and gentlemen, is that you should not feel sorry for Australians at all. You should feel jealousy, extreme jealousy. We are slugged these prices because we can afford to pay them.

Did I mention that most of the vets down here are getting around the embargo anyway, because it can't be enforced on Canadian independent retailers or stores that remove their stuff from the box before sending it along? *smug*>


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I'm also going to go out on a limb and suggest that Games Workshop is on the road to catch-22ing themselves out of existence.

My theory is that most Games Workshop stores in Australia make a loss- a big, solid, loss. Once you've subtracted the supah dupha wages and the general storefront rent costs, you'll find that the supposedly sky high profits that Games Workshop actually makes are probably just about nonexistent at most stores.

But of course, if the stores go, so do all the new recruits to the hobby, and while Games Workshop is without a doubt the most dominant wargaming company in Australia, it's not without competition, and the system and models by themselves aren't enough for a new person to pick expensive GW products over the vastly cheaper Privateer Press products.

If I'm right, I give them 10 years in Australia, and 20 years globally. Max.

There's a bit more to it than that Avakael, like GW prices are based on old dollar conversion figures from years ago (they still think of $:£ as 3:1 when it's closer to 3:2). Add to that some other exceptionally dopey things, like Black Library e-books costing more from Black Library Oz than Black Library UK - it's a file, on a server, why do we pay more for it? Plus other companies have set prices world wide (Lego is a good example). Other than unreasonably high rents (which are a problem), there's no reason for GW to gouge Aussie customers by 48%-52%.

Additionally Australia isn't unique in this. NZ pays more. South Africa pays more. Japan pays more. Brazil pays more. Not all of these countries are as strong (economy speaking) as Australia.

H.B.M.C. wrote:There's a bit more to it than that Avakael, like GW prices are based on old dollar conversion figures from years ago (they still think of $:£ as 3:1 when it's closer to 3:2). Add to that some other exceptionally dopey things, like Black Library e-books costing more from Black Library Oz than Black Library UK - it's a file, on a server, why do we pay more for it? Plus other companies have set prices world wide (Lego is a good example). Other than unreasonably high rents (which are a problem), there's no reason for GW to gouge Aussie customers by 48%-52%.

Additionally Australia isn't unique in this. NZ pays more. South Africa pays more. Japan pays more. Brazil pays more. Not all of these countries are as strong (economy speaking) as Australia.

It's a guess. Besides, the files price changes aren't unique either- try buying something off steam, and compare that to US prices. If they don't figure out that the old prices are too much here, they'll go under and that'll be that. If it turns out that the old pricing scheme is just fine and they're still in an equal or better position on the supply/demand curve (it's a two dimensional model- total of each product sold and actual money earned on each product), then why should they drop prices? If there's less money made from newly (re)included customers than there is from the loss off the value of the products themselves, then the logical conclusion is that the market of people who have been priced out of the current consumer group is not worth bringing back into the fold, because they'll lose money doing it. They aren't going to try to outprice the people who do it for less out of the market, because that hurts the wargaming market as a whole, themselves especially. They aren't going to take a sudden turn of "lets be nice and sell it for cheap", because A: their economic models state that it will lead to a loss, B: All the other countries will demand similar price drops, C: they can't possibly be unaware of the fact that their name is mud in veteran circles, and so why try to make amends to people that don't buy from them on principle? The prices are unreasonable, but there's no reason to drop prices if they will make less money.

Yes, it happens with video games and books as well. It is neither logical nor correct, and because "others" do it, it doesn't make GW doing it ok.

And as I said, it affects countries beyond our own, so this problem is not Oz-centric and cannot be explained away by 'good local economy' or 'higher average wages' or anything quite so simplistic..

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, it happens with video games and books as well. It is neither logical nor correct, and because "others" do it, it doesn't make GW doing it ok.

And as I said, it affects countries beyond our own, so this problem is not Oz-centric and cannot be explained away by 'good local economy' or 'higher average wages' or anything quite so simplistic..

I suppose there's a few options. The media love to have a legitimate bad guy to yell at, for starters, so if you explained that Australian children and teenagers are deliberately being ripped off by a foreign corporation thats trying to change it's customer base, they'd be all over that.

Sorry this is an old thread.

I wanted to point out that I can ship to Austrilaia, New Zealand, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Russia, Japan and South Korea.

Details in my sig.