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Caliban Predator 155

Type Tank BS 4 F13 S11 R 10

Weapons
One Twin-linked Plasma Cannon
Two Side Sponson Plasma Guns
Smoke Launchers
Searchlights

Armor
Obsidian Plating

Obsidian Plating: Ignores all glancing hits

The ignores ALL glances is a bit much, why not give it some save against glances, or have it ignore one per turn..

I dont know enough about the fluff, so what is the backstory about the obsidian's toughness that led you to 'ignore all glances.'

I know they make some nice powerswords out of the stuff, but from a few powerswords to an entire tank is a bit of a jump in scale.

As for the price of the tank, I feel its a bit high since obsidian armor comes standard. I would rather see the armor as an upgrade along the lines of extra armor.

DevianID wrote:I dont know enough about the fluff, so what is the backstory about the obsidian's toughness that led you to 'ignore all glances.'

I know they make some nice powerswords out of the stuff, but from a few powerswords to an entire tank is a bit of a jump in scale.

As for the price of the tank, I feel its a bit high since obsidian armor comes standard. I would rather see the armor as an upgrade along the lines of extra armor.

Which fluff does it say Obsidian comes standard? I actually don't have a backup in fluff as to where Dark Angels get it. Obsidian is actually a natural substance SiO2, MgO, FE3O4 Silcon Magnesium and Iron, Which is really close to bullet proof vest, and oh yes it's made by valcanos.

upgrade those gpg sponsoons to cannons and we are in buisness

I agree with the Obsidian plating being too much; I'd make it ignore shaken/stunned or the effects of AP1 if I were you.

I don't think it's an entirely original idea to be honest, everyone seems to suggest a Plasma-orientated predator, but the idea seems a bit... basic or unoriginal to me, not offence intended. I'd try to give it a unique weapon at least, maybe make the Plasma Cannon Heavy 2 and/or give it some options.

Finally, I'd also suggest changing the name, Caliban Predator doesn't sound right IMHO. Maybe Predator _____ instead of Caliban, such as Predator Aurora or Predator Wildfire or Predator Purifier? Just as examples...

Also, where'd you get the idea of the Armour Plating being Obsidian?

Just Dave wrote:I agree with the Obsidian plating being too much; I'd make it ignore shaken/stunned or the effects of AP1 if I were you.

I don't think it's an entirely original idea to be honest, everyone seems to suggest a Plasma-orientated predator, but the idea seems a bit... basic or unoriginal to me, not offence intended. I'd try to give it a unique weapon at least, maybe make the Plasma Cannon Heavy 2 and/or give it some options.

Finally, I'd also suggest changing the name, Caliban Predator doesn't sound right IMHO. Maybe Predator _____ instead of Caliban, such as Predator Aurora or Predator Wildfire or Predator Purifier? Just as examples...

Also, where'd you get the idea of the Armour Plating being Obsidian?

First thing is a was thinking of BT's Blessed hull, although now that I think about it i'm think maybe immune to melta would fit better.

second, well this is my first attempt to write a Space Marine character, I normally write Tyranids.

Third, I had thought of Predator Devestator, but then thought of the Baal Predator.

Lastly, when I read the description of Caliban I thought of the Philippines region, a tropical valcanic land, so I imagined the stuff was everywhere on that now shattered planet.

The hull rule is nonsense and OP, but the idea of a DA plasma predator is decent.

ph34r wrote:The hull rule is nonsense and OP, but the idea of a DA plasma predator is decent.

Bless Hull is OP? can I ask you something why do BT have it?

broodstar wrote:

ph34r wrote:The hull rule is nonsense and OP, but the idea of a DA plasma predator is decent.

Bless Hull is OP? can I ask you something why do BT have it?

The "Obsidian plating" rule. Blessed Hull is also utter nonsense, as it is totally worthless against 11 armies, but makes you auto-win vs two armies. Terrible rules writing.

ph34r wrote:

broodstar wrote:

ph34r wrote:The hull rule is nonsense and OP, but the idea of a DA plasma predator is decent.

Bless Hull is OP? can I ask you something why do BT have it?

The "Obsidian plating" rule. Blessed Hull is also utter nonsense, as it is totally worthless against 11 armies, but makes you auto-win vs two armies. Terrible rules writing.

I don't know about auto-win, but ignoring Lance is a fairly large hit to those two armies.

On the Subject of Obsidian Hull, I like the idea, but I would change it to something more along the lines of "when rolling to damage the vehicle, glancing hits subtract 3 from the Vehicle damage table" or perhaps "Melta weapons fired against this vehicle function instead as ordnance weapons, rolling 2d6, but taking only the highest die instead of combining the total" and maybe even "Vehicles with Obsidian Armor ignore the effects of AP1 weapons." Heck, you could even do "All weapons fired against a vehicle with Obsidian Armor count as having 1 strength lower than normal."

broodstar wrote:Obsidian is actually a natural substance SiO2, MgO, FE3O4 Silcon Magnesium and Iron, Which is really close to bullet proof vest,

Even if this were true (which it laughably isn't), a 40k equivalent bullet-proof vest has trouble stopping a las gun. It's certainly no protection against the kinds of weapons that can glance a Predator.

DarknessEternal wrote:

broodstar wrote:Obsidian is actually a natural substance SiO2, MgO, FE3O4 Silcon Magnesium and Iron, Which is really close to bullet proof vest,

Even if this were true (which it laughably isn't), a 40k equivalent bullet-proof vest has trouble stopping a las gun. It's certainly no protection against the kinds of weapons that can glance a Predator.

Yeah. It would not accomplish much except make your tank heavier. Also why would DA use obsidian especially? That sounds like Salamanders to me.

DarknessEternal wrote:

broodstar wrote:Obsidian is actually a natural substance SiO2, MgO, FE3O4 Silcon Magnesium and Iron, Which is really close to bullet proof vest,

Even if this were true (which it laughably isn't), a 40k equivalent bullet-proof vest has trouble stopping a las gun. It's certainly no protection against the kinds of weapons that can glance a Predator.

Do you know the difference in the two materials? Don't worry I'll let you google it. The differences are one is man made, by taking Silcon and adding Carbon, the chemical of bullet proofing material is SiC. To Obsidian into Silcon carbide is as simple as fluxing the impurities out and re heating it to 2500 degrees

Look over there in the distance...it's the point.

Regardless, Obsidian in real life is also kind of... brittle, it doesn't really lend itself to being very protective as it would shatter into razor sharp shards when hit.

Although, that would be an interesting thought too I guess.

yeah just make it the Predator Decimator 175 pts
front side back BS
13 11 10 4
equipment Executor Plasma Cannon (because of this gun uses same rules as leman russ version for overheat)
sponson mounted plasma cannons
searchlight, smoke launcher, Veteran Crew
pintle mounted multimelta +5pts

veteran crew-only the best Dark angels brothers are allowed the honor of using a Predator Decimator. to represent this they ignore any result on the glance table lower than a 5+. and ignore rolls lower than 3+ on a penetrate

thoughts?

captain collius wrote:yeah just make it the Predator Decimator 175 pts
front side back BS
13 11 10 4
equipment Executor Plasma Cannon (because of this gun uses same rules as leman russ version for overheat)
sponson mounted plasma cannons
searchlight, smoke launcher, Veteran Crew
pintle mounted multimelta +5pts

veteran crew-only the best Dark angels brothers are allowed the honor of using a Predator Decimator. to represent this they ignore any result on the glance table lower than a 5+. and ignore rolls lower than 3+ on a penetrate

thoughts?

The pen rule is a little OP for the price amd the pintle MM is a little low in price too. I agree with everything else (Keep in mind a Stormraven has less armour, kkinda the same weapons and only ignores 1 D6 elta, and it costs 200, yes I know it flies and is a transport but I an trying to draw a comparison to like abilities)

Obsidian ignoring the effects of AP1 but not the 2D6 Armour would seem okay. That doesn't feel too OP

Making the cannon base Heavy 2 would fix a lot of point issues.

Making the sponsons twin-linked plasma guns seems about right as well.

No pintle mounted MM, it's not a land raider.

Blessed hull isn't an autowin against two armies. Most normal eldar use Fire dragons but lose for other reasons (Namely being eldar)

And decimate means to reduce by 1/10th, hopefully two plasma shots will do better than that.

Predator Intimidator 160pts

13/11/10 BS4

Intimidator cannon: S:7 AP:2 Heavy 2
Smoke launchers
Search light
Storm bolter

Upgrades:
Obsidian armour +15pts or Extra armour
HK missile

May take twin-linked plasma guns as sponsons: +10pts