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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 15:43:08
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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A brief historical context is needed: The Philippines was named after Prince Philip II of Spain otherwise known as the "Spider of the Escorial" (he was given this nickname for it was said that he never left his palace). He was reputed to be an extreme introvert, austere, humorless, and unpopular. Philip II reigned over the vast Spanish empire handed down by his father, Charles V, and was a leading patron of Catholicism. His reign however marked the decline of Spain as a world power leading one historian to describe him as mediocre and as a man paralyzed by indecision.
Since the death of Prince Philip II and after the revolution and founding of the Republic of the Philippines, as a people have had the priviledge of carrying 'his' name for more than 3 centuries.
But do the Filipino wish to continue this?
Do Filipinos as a people wish to be forever linked with a Prince who in the history books was said that his first order as Prince was to do an "auto-da-fe" (wherein thousands upon thousands of the Arab-speaking Muslims who inhabited the Spanish province of Andalucia were all burned at the stake); that he and his father were said to have looted Rome and were eventually excommunicated by the Catholic Church under Pope Paul IV in 1552; who died of a disease (then called euphemistically a "social disease") now known as venereal disease, due to his 'way with women' (he was known to have had several wives and mistresses)? Don't you think My country and My compatriots deserve something better than that???
Years ago, the 'Philippines' name was proposed to be changed to Maharlika (the name is based on the values of nobility and spirituality). They say it was rejected due to its identification with a then deposed and now deceased dictator (aka Marcos). Some have proposed the name Katagalugan which was the name chosen by Bonifacio (the name highlighted our country's tropical archipelago). Other names mentioned were Kapatiran (emphasizing the nation as family) and Katipunan (the word itself means unification).
Many countries around the World have already reverted to their pre-colonial names (Myanmar, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, etc.) Why must Filipinos be named not only after a Spanish monarch, but a dispicable one at that?
I for one would like nothing better than to change the name since Me and my Compatriots identity as a people will no longer be linked with a inept ruler but more importantly, our name won't be connected with our conlonial past (besides, I kinda like the name Maharlika, it does have a nice sound to it)!
Like the discussions on the the question of national language, discussions in my country's name can become emotional and even nasty. We need to consider this change since the succeeding generations of this country deseves a name we can be proud to call our own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 19:53:52
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Best of luck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:04:48
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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A person, group of people, or nation can ask to be called whatever they wish.
Decide amongst yourselves and get back to us with consensus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:09:14
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I suggest West West South Dakota.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:11:31
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Infiltrating Prowler
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good luck with that.
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captain fantastic wrote: Seems like this thread is all that's left of Remilia Scarlet (the poster).
wait, what? Σ(・□・;) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:16:04
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Frazzled wrote:I suggest West West South Dakota.
Wait for it folks
Wait for it.....
Hold.....
I agree with Frazzled
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:18:46
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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How about New New Hampshire?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:25:39
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Nuevo New Hamshire?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:26:10
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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I think Filipinos are happy with the name, I've never met one that was upset or annoyed by it. What would you change the name to?
Also why is it spelled Filipinos when they come from the Philippines? Shouldn't they be Philpinos or Philippians (oh wait that is someone else)  .
My vote is for one of those bizarre Japanese type names that roughly translates to complete nonsense like "Happy toad sheep pile revolution pagoda place"
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"I don't have principles, and I consider any comment otherwise to be both threatening and insulting" - Dogma
"No, sorry, synonymous does not mean same".-Dogma
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:30:11
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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My vote is to change the name to '51st State' (possibly going to have to settle for '52nd State' if Puerto Rico votes for statehood this November)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 20:35:59
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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I would gladly welcome Hat Land into the world of nations ;D
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 22:19:14
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Change it to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 22:29:00
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Well played, but I think összetettszóhosszúságvilágrekorddöntéskényszerneurózistünetegyüttes-megnyilvánulásfejleszthetőségvizsgálatszervezésellenőrzésiügyosztály-létszámleépítésellenesakciócsoporttagságiigazolványmegújításikérelem-elutasítóhatározatgyűjteményértékesítőnagyvállalatátalakításutó-finanszírozáspályázatelbírálóalapítványkuratóriumelnökhelyettesellenes-merényletkivizsgálóbizottságiüléselnapolásindítványbenyújtásiforma-nyomtatványkitöltögetésellenőrizhetőség-próba is more appropriate
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 23:19:36
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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Maybe apple can buy it and call it I-land!
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"I don't have principles, and I consider any comment otherwise to be both threatening and insulting" - Dogma
"No, sorry, synonymous does not mean same".-Dogma
"If I say "I will hug you" I am threatening you" -Dogma |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 23:33:11
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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I'd support it. I have lots of filipino friends, and I've always felt a certain kinship to them over other asian races (for some reason).
Maharlika sounds neat, if I'm imagining it as "Muh- HAR- lika
(MUscle, HARd, LICKer. Sounds obscene, but they were the first words I could think of). Automatically Appended Next Post: Andrew1975 wrote:I think Filipinos are happy with the name, I've never met one that was upset or annoyed by it. What would you change the name to?
Also why is it spelled Filipinos when they come from the Philippines? Shouldn't they be Philpinos or Philippians (oh wait that is someone else)  .
My vote is for one of those bizarre Japanese type names that roughly translates to complete nonsense like "Happy toad sheep pile revolution pagoda place"
Shiawasena hikigaeru no hitsujiyama kakumei-tō no basho
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If only ZUN!bar were here... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 23:45:46
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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That's too long. I was thinking about something shorter. Like that old coke myth about Coke meaning bite the wax tadpole, mixed with the Japanese fascination with super happy fun time show.
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"I don't have principles, and I consider any comment otherwise to be both threatening and insulting" - Dogma
"No, sorry, synonymous does not mean same".-Dogma
"If I say "I will hug you" I am threatening you" -Dogma |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/08 23:48:38
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Madrak Ironhide
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This has never come up in my family or circle of fil-ams. But then
again, we've never really discussed homeland issues other than
"Ha! the president is corrupt! And she's accusing her cabinet
of corruption! This is like that time with the shoes..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 00:17:53
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
Australia
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Or just spell it with an F instead, that why everyone will still remember what it is called, but they can say they are different from Prince Phillip or whatever...
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Hive Fleet Jumanji
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 00:19:05
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Well thank you
But here in the Philippines or Luzvuzminda or Maharlika or Rizalandia
The thing is stuff like Spanish words in our language must be severed the last names well that's allot of effort for latter.
With me I'm deeply bothered by still having this connection with the Spanish who Butchered and Enslaved my nation so that they can power trip to there hearts desire,
And the name of the country itself is colonial mentality which lags the country behind due to filipinos seeing others as automatically superior to them, this stops progress which is bad for the Nation no matter how small.
Plus we should purge the language of Impurities (not saying Spanish is dirty it just dose not sound right with Austronesian languages)
(most people who are named Philip here become Felipe so even spelling with an F is synonymous with Philip of Spain)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 00:56:21
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Huh... you're sounding like quite a xenophobe man, purging the language of impurities, forcing people to change their names to become more 'Maharlikan' and less Filipino, etc... Where have I heard this before...
/ looks at long list of xenophobic genocidal regimes...
How about you call it the McKinley Islands, in honor of the US President that began the process by which your country gained its independence? (simultaneously flamebaiting and being serious)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 00:58:01
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Nope... im still on dakka... thought I was on 4chan for a bit...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:02:53
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Infiltrating Prowler
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honestly, I'm not convinced as to why being named the phillipines is so bad. please explain.
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captain fantastic wrote: Seems like this thread is all that's left of Remilia Scarlet (the poster).
wait, what? Σ(・□・;) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:05:54
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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remilia_scarlet wrote:
honestly, I'm not convinced as to why being named the phillipines is so bad. please explain.
OP did, because the name was from someone evil.
Its like would americans like it if USA was named Nazirica
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:09:09
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Infiltrating Prowler
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LunaHound wrote:remilia_scarlet wrote:
honestly, I'm not convinced as to why being named the phillipines is so bad. please explain.
OP did, because the name was from someone evil.
Its like would americans like it if USA was named Nazirica
I see, perhaps they should name it after a filipino leader who did something good or something?
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captain fantastic wrote: Seems like this thread is all that's left of Remilia Scarlet (the poster).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:15:01
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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remilia_scarlet wrote:LunaHound wrote:remilia_scarlet wrote:
honestly, I'm not convinced as to why being named the phillipines is so bad. please explain.
OP did, because the name was from someone evil.
Its like would americans like it if USA was named Nazirica
I see, perhaps they should name it after a filipino leader who did something good or something?
Dont ask me, I'll just name it New Lunar Republic :3 ( see the color are identical to OP's flag )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:20:44
Subject: Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Wrong. Original flag has yellow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:24:03
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Honestly, no support here, the reason you have for changing the name of your country is imo, quite a pathetically trivial one, that would be the same as me saying that we should change the name of my country because its name was given by the British who used it as a penal colony and slaughtered thousands of people (just on this continent) in the name of progress.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:25:35
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Krellnus wrote:Honestly, no support here, the reason you have for changing the name of your country is imo, quite a pathetically trivial one, that would be the same as me saying that we should change the name of my country because its name was given by the British who used it as a penal colony and slaughtered thousands of people (just on this continent) in the name of progress.
Not really, the only reason Australia doesnt seem to be effected as much is you guys already have a worse name branded ........
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 01:29:36
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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Sorry for the Xenophobe sounding-ness
Maharlika was actually proposed but is linked to a former dictator Marcos, so it is always rebuked since being linked to that dark past,
Plus I propose that the change of language not a instantaneous thing more like a 5-8 year thing where Spanish words will be gradually prohibited from being used in media not that bad. First names that are pretty much Spanish in origin should just be looked down upon and more Native names being preferred, Race has no say on this since the well for now Philippine Islands being made up of mostly Austronesian's and Chinese people plus we are not like Indonesia or Malaysia who discriminate there Chinese populations which is one beauty of my country.
We are nation who's whole cultural past was destroyed by Spanish friar's (nothing against the church) and Dutch Pirates.
Plus it wouldn't be that hard Changing the name Countries like Thailand did it and they are whole lot better of ergonomically and socially than the Philippines.
And for the language it cant be that hard to remove just 5,000 words of kastilla from the language.
and doing all these can be done in a friendly manner using media as a tool.
(Plus on Australia the majority of your'e population is Imported)
Most Filipinos lived on the land for thousands of years before the Iberian s came led by an Italian.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/09 02:35:37
Subject: Re:Can I convince you to support the Philippines to change it's name?
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LunaHound wrote:Krellnus wrote:Honestly, no support here, the reason you have for changing the name of your country is imo, quite a pathetically trivial one, that would be the same as me saying that we should change the name of my country because its name was given by the British who used it as a penal colony and slaughtered thousands of people (just on this continent) in the name of progress.
Not really, the only reason Australia doesnt seem to be effected as much is you guys already have a worse name branded ........
Probably doesn't help the Queen of England is still technically our head of state.
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