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 Ghaz wrote:

Just going by the information on the webstore they should be separate kits. If Skarbrand did come with all three sprues, they could drop the standard Bloodthirster box.

AFAIK, they haven't dropped the Errant/Paladin Knight box yet, despite the Warden kit coming with everything + an extra sprue. Rhinos are also still sold despite Razorbacks being a Rhino + extra sprue.
They should have releases the SB/BT kit together from the beginning

And while the website has gotten much better lately, there are still some head scratchers. Like the Beast of Nurgle being pictured on a 60mm base, yet it is described as being supplied with a 40mm.

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I hope once they update each of the Greater Demons they go back and update the Demon Prince models to carry over some of the aesthetic. At a minimum just provide us some stylized wings!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bunch'a people on /tg/ have talked about how it would be better with a more subdued paint scheme. Some people shopped different versions, even one that just darkened everything, and it looks pretty good; much better than the GW paint job.

Getting Diablo 3 "it's too bright" flashbacks here In all seriousness, it's Tzeentch, and "subdued" is certainly not a word I would associate with it. And the paintjob is stellar.

I think it's perfect as-is. I've never really considered expanding my Chaos army beyond Mortals (with the exception of one Daemon Prince, but he used to be a mortal, so that doesn't count), but damn! I might have to start adding greater daemons!

No new leaks yet?

 Sersi wrote:
No new leaks yet?

My guess is that we won't get any until Wed. at the earliest. I really, REALLY hope Blues & Brimstones come in the same box. A box of either by themselves just seems so bland compared to a box of Pinks, which has optionally extra bits. The amount of plastic needed for 10 Pinks + extras is about the same amount as 10 Blues & 10 Brims. So they could keep the price per box of lesser Daemons consistent. That would please my OCD.

I'm on standby to see if Blue & Brims are released. As soon as we get confirmation of those, I'm putting my 2 LoCs (which now look like lowly DPs in comparison) and 30 Horrors on eBay so that I can get 1 LoC, 20 Blues & 20 Brimstones Horrors. I want to replace my Pinks with Blues painted pink. I have never liked that T3 models that are supposed to be "impish" are as big as Space Marines.

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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bunch'a people on /tg/ have talked about how it would be better with a more subdued paint scheme. Some people shopped different versions, even one that just darkened everything, and it looks pretty good; much better than the GW paint job.

lol

This paintjob is absolutely stellar. I would love it is instead of photoshopping, those folks went ahead and tried to paint it up to this standard but darker. See how they do. Heh.

Yeah the paint job is stunning. The brightness is a subjective thing but you can't argue with the level of the painting itself really.

Any news on the Brets?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Any news on the Brets?

yeah, they're gone.

Hmm. The new releases for the 21st are just the book and Silver Tower figures sans Tzaangors. They are likely going to be up for release on the 28th then, including the Shaman and Tzaangor Enlightened. That may leave the LOC and Daemon repacks for the 1st week of February.

With any luck that will be it and they will continue right on to Steamhead. Otherwise we are looking at a March release for them.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
it would be a quality control issue since fluff suggest that the bt is bigger and beefier than a loc; which wouldnt be represented model wise.

A bit like cadian being bigger than marines is also a quality control issue

Design choices =/= Quality control.

A thing can be designed poorly, but still be a good quality product, or vice versa.

the design of the LOC was made decades ago, and it's not supposed to be bigger than a BT

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
it would be a quality control issue since fluff suggest that the bt is bigger and beefier than a loc; which wouldnt be represented model wise.

A bit like cadian being bigger than marines is also a quality control issue

Design choices =/= Quality control.

A thing can be designed poorly, but still be a good quality product, or vice versa.

the design of the LOC was made decades ago, and it's not supposed to be bigger than a BT

Do you mean LoC's in general? or this particular sculpt ? When you say "decades" one would assume at least 2, so your saying this model was designed in 1996? If your referring to the current sculpt I just find that skeptical. But if you mean the general design of what a LoC is was designed 20-30 years ago I guess that makes sense.

All the Greater Daemons are supposed to be roughly the same imposing size. Individuals may vary depending on how much power they have at the time or how big they "feel" like being, but in general they look like this:
GUO is the shortest, but fattest
BT is the beefiest, but still shorter than a LoC or KoS
LoC is tall but spindly
KoS probably varies the most as they can be lean on muscular or tall and sensuous.

So I feel it is appropriate if the LoC is on par with the BT, so long as it looks like it could be taller if stood up straight rather than being slumped over.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
it would be a quality control issue since fluff suggest that the bt is bigger and beefier than a loc; which wouldnt be represented model wise.

A bit like cadian being bigger than marines is also a quality control issue

Design choices =/= Quality control.

A thing can be designed poorly, but still be a good quality product, or vice versa.

the design of the LOC was made decades ago, and it's not supposed to be bigger than a BT

Daemons by their very nature are very mutable, there's no set design for each type of Daemon. They'd come in all sorts of sizes and shapes.

Really? This is a real argument that's going on?

 streetsamurai wrote:
the design of the LOC was made decades ago, and it's not supposed to be bigger than a BT

Says who?

I own an original 'Thirster and an original LoC. They're about the same size.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really? This is a real argument that's going on?

 streetsamurai wrote:
the design of the LOC was made decades ago, and it's not supposed to be bigger than a BT

Says who?

I own an original 'Thirster and an original LoC. They're about the same size.

You are both arguing the same thing. BTs and LoC can be, and often are, the same size and neither are inherently MEANT to be bigger than the other. This is supported by every incarnation of them being roughly the same size.
If this new LoC was dramatically bigger than the plastic BT, it would put a bad taste in our sense of aesthetics.

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Anyone suspect we might see a new codex: daemons as the LoC at the minute is a bit pants for that mighty model.

 Galef wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really? This is a real argument that's going on?

 streetsamurai wrote:
the design of the LOC was made decades ago, and it's not supposed to be bigger than a BT

Says who?

I own an original 'Thirster and an original LoC. They're about the same size.

You are both arguing the same thing. BTs and LoC can be, and often are, the same size and neither are inherently MEANT to be bigger than the other. This is supported by every incarnation of them being roughly the same size.
If this new LoC was dramatically bigger than the plastic BT, it would put a bad taste in our sense of aesthetics.

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exactly this.

"This towering Daemon of Tzeentch stands as tall as a Bloodthirster"

 streetsamurai wrote:
exactly this.

In one post you say that the LoC is "not supposed to be bigger than a BT", and then in your next post you're agreeing with a guy saying the opposite? Make up your mind.

 Galef wrote:
You are both arguing the same thing ... neither are inherently MEANT to be bigger than the other.

That's exactly what I was getting at.

Stellar model and paint job on that loc , it's a beauty

That model is so good that I would not change a thing!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
exactly this.

In one post you say that the LoC is "not supposed to be bigger than a BT", and then in your next post you're agreeing with a guy saying the opposite? Make up your mind.

 Galef wrote:
You are both arguing the same thing ... neither are inherently MEANT to be bigger than the other.

That's exactly what I was getting at.

I already made it, but you need to read more carefully. I said that a LOC is not supposed to be bigger than a BT. Which is exactly what Galef said. At the very least, it could be a bit taller, but not much larger and even beefier as the comparaison pic made it look like. Still, as some said, might only be a base issue.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Any news on the Brets?

Just give up and embrace oblivion (or a supported army)

 Mantle wrote:
Anyone suspect we might see a new codex: daemons as the LoC at the minute is a bit pants for that mighty model.

From what I read on the Warhammer Community post, no. The Lord of Change will get a new warscroll for Age of Sigmar to reflect the new model, but there are currently no plans to alter its rules for 40k.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
but there are currently no plans to alter its rules for 40k.

Nor does it need updated rules. It is already the best of the GDs.

I may have missed this...is there an expected release date for the LoC?

didnt see this mentioned anywhere, but saw this in the comments on atia's blog - someone asked her how different Fatewaever is to the LoC:

Lady Atia Mod Irondoors • a day ago
He has two heads (duh!), a staff with a book and a casting hand. Not as much different as Skarbrand and a core Bloodthirster, but different enough imo

nothing unexpected (compared to the existing model), but nice to have confirmation anyway

The question is: does he still have a fish on his staff?

That model is nuts! Pic and link is now in first post so folks don't have to dig for it