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Might be fun to test this out some time, should surprise people:

Mephiston 250

(10) Sternguard, 2x Missile launcher, 2x combimelta 270
(10) Sternguard, 2x Missile launcher, 2x combimelta 270

2x Priest 100

(10) Tactical squad, lascannon, melta, combimelta 195
(10) Tactical squad, lascannon, melta, combimelta 195
(10) Tactical squad, lascannon 180

(5) Devastators, 4x Missile launcher 130
(5) Devastators, 4x Missile launcher 130
(5) Devastators, 4x Missile launcher 130

= 1850

That's 67 FnP marines plus Mephiston.

16 Missile launchers and 3 lascannons. 43 bolters for torrent, 16 of which always wound on 2's. 4 doublemelta squads for when that Land raider shows up.

I think it might work pretty well, actually.

Thoughts? =)

I've had this webpage up for a little while sitting here painting my models.

I honestly don't know what to think of or say.

Questions:
Are you taking no transports?

Is this a long distance/gunline list where you outmaneuver your opponent or die in CC?

Is Mephiston going to be on his own trying to kill things or attached to what?

Nope, no transports.

Not much maneuvering either, if those lascannon/missile squads move they're not firing.

If facing CC lists, with combat squad I can have 5 layers of bubblewrap protecting my heavy weapon teams (2x 5 man sternguard and 3x 5 man tacticals) so it'll take them a while to chew through it. Meph can also take down pretty much any squad by himself, barring dedicated CC units (ie. THSS, TWC w/ lots of Storm shields, Paladins).

Hordes don't really like FnP MEQ's, not many hordes can kill them very fast.

Againt mech lists, I've got quite a few missiles to demech them, then bolters/Meph to kill squads off.

Basically, the list doesn't do mass amounts of damage, it wins by being a bitch to kill and sitting on objectives, while Meph flies around and kills stuff (with cover he's not that easy to kill, and most boards have at least some LOS block for me to hide him completely). Meph can't attach to anything btw, he's not an IC.

I think Mephy might not be the best fit for the this army.. You are going to be hanging back and he'll be in cc unsupported. Expect your opponent to either tie him up with a suicide squad or throw all their anti tank at him, all it take is one Lascannon shot...

You might be better off with a Libby. Thow in a few Las/Plas Razorbacks for some mech and cover and it might work. You could use them to take last minute objectives.

Meph is able to easily kill small squads that fall out of transports you are able to break with your 16 missiles. He's also pretty scary for pretty much any squad to come near, so he protects a nice 24" "don't come here zone" to discourage most squads from coming too near to your army. Plus he's only one model, you can quite reasonably hide him entirely behind LOS blocking terrain, or at the very least get cover for him all the time.

If I was going to take vehicles I'd need more than two or three, as such a small amount of them will just mean that all of my opponents AT will go into them and just break them very quickly.

Wait, how is one lascannon killing Meph?

I forgot he was T6, let me amend my post:

1 Force weapon is all it takes

I've been absent for awhile from these forums until recently, but if there is one thing I recall it is that convincing Jabbdo not to take Mephiston is a lost cause. I do not think I recall a BA list of yours that did not include Mephy.

As far as the list goes it is interesting, I like that it isn't your typical BA list. Is Mephiston going to hang back and counter assault anything that gets close to your gunline or rush up and scare the hell out of people?

I think I wrote a full droppod list once with 6 Dreads that had a Lib instead of Mephy But seriously, for 150pts over a Libby Mephy just brings such great utility that I think he's easily worth it. Its a matter of personal preference though, I can understand why someone might prefer a Lib, I just love Meph too much <3

Meph will hang back and counter assault if I'm facing a list that will be coming close to me anyways (GK, SW with large Grey hunter squads, Nids, Daemons, other BA usually) or if facing another gunline I'll rush up and force people to deal with him (Space marines in general, BT, IG). It'll depend quite a lot on the matchup how I'll play him though.

optimusprime14 wrote:I think Mephy might not be the best fit for the this army.. You are going to be hanging back and he'll be in cc unsupported. Expect your opponent to either tie him up with a suicide squad or throw all their anti tank at him, all it take is one Lascannon shot...

You might be better off with a Libby. Thow in a few Las/Plas Razorbacks for some mech and cover and it might work. You could use them to take last minute objectives.

More like all it takes is 5 Lascannons. He is tough 6 so no instakills for you.

Either way I feel like he will have good synergy with this list. He can save your gunline from assaults in the first scenario and in the second the enemy gunline will be forced to prioritize their shots against him or suffer the consequences when he assaults them.

With 20 missle launchers and three lascannons you should be able to take on most lists. Even if a horde army such as orks can get through to your lines with a BW rush list with KFF, FNP with weather a lot of those wounds.

It probably would be OK, but I would guess that you would have big troubles with certain lists, like GK and Deathwing. As you pointed out, you do your damage over time, so anything that can get into CC quickly is going to cause very big problems. While you can bubblewrap, that only delays the inevitable because Draigo and crew are not going to suffer any material damage while in CC.

This probably would match up pretty well against stuff like my mech BA list. I really can't kill anything quickly, and besides a couple of Furiosos I don't have any CC. In a tournament sense, I would have to rely on you not fielding this list because of the bad matchups.

More priests.
5 man sternguard with 2 heavy weapons, 3 dev. squads, 2 librarians then Scouts and assault marines as troops then maybe it would be all right.

Played 5 man Sternguard once, was pretty much identical to this list:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390651.page

Only question is, why would you take Libs over Mephiston? If you're not taking vehicles you don't need shield, and Unleash Rage is OK but not awesome, so what are you taking them for? Blood lance?

Wow Jabbdo. I hate you right now. I would never want to play against that with anything other than my Summoning Bomb GK list. Truly looks painful, I have the models I may try that out and see how it works. Have you tried it?

Looks fun, doesn't it?

Haven't had time to try it out yet, I've been playtesting my Necrons more actively lately, got 3 games lined up for them tomorrow incidentally. I'll try to test it out next week, possibly.

I thought after playing a game with Blood Angels once, that a list like this would be pretty effective.
Its easy to underestimate how resilient Marines, in cover, with FNP really are. And with all the ML and LC shots (from 8 different sources), and then Meph to eat things up this could be very effective. Mech lists will have a very hard time trying to shift that lot of the bored, CC armies are going to have the best chance, but play it right and you still have a good chance of beating them.

The only thing I don't like, is that its a 1850 list, so I can't try it out without dropping 100 points

This is basically a rip-off of an 11th company blog post that was made about a month ago: http://11thcompany.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-01-17T12:54:00-08:00&max-results=7


HQ:
Librarian – 100 (Shield for extra cover saves, Unleash for a swarm attack)

Elites:

3 x Sang Priests – 150 (to be distributed around effectively for FnP bubbles)

2 x 5 x Sternguard + 2 x Lascannons (simply there to add withering fire at vehicles, easy to get KPs)

Troops:

10 x Assault Marines + Power Fist – (for a counter-assault if you need one)

10 x Tactical Marines + Lascannon + Plasma + Fist – 210 (more withering fire)

10 x Tactical Marines + Lascannon + Plasma + Fist – 210 (more withering fire)

10 x Tactical Marines + Lascannon + Plasma + Fist – 210 (more withering fire)

Heavy:

10 x Dev Squads + 4 x Missile – 210 (see a pattern yet?)

10 x Dev Squads + 4 x Missile – 210

10 x Dev Squads + 4 x Missile – 210

Except that list lacks Meph, pays for a third Priest when you don't really need one, and plays 5 man Sternguard. Pretty major differences actually.

You do realize that just because a certain list is similar to another list it doesn't mean that its been copied? Might just be that the list concept is effective, and that its been realized by more than one person?

Obvious troll is obvious =)

The first time I read the dex which was awhile back. The first thing that came to my mind was my old marine list with sang priest. I personally would go with three groups of three with three sang priest to bubble up the fnp. Then add in a cheap leader if you have the points left. I feel that having assault marines is more inportant then tactical squad. So in all I would 3x dev, 3x tact, 3x assault, cheaper troops and more of them will increase your numbers.

At 1850 I was running with a standard dex in 3rd ed 87 marines. I pushed the limit of my fire power while lowering my ability to take damage. This list was very very painful for my enemies. On top of shooting the ard out of the enemy, I slowly advanced and addressed issues as I moved.


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The only issue I see is how many guys are going to die when the battle cannons start raining death. I know you have a truck load of fire power. Its just a matter of time that the shells start hitting. On top of that they are 72" guns and your running 48". I have seen a many mission where set up is in the corner.

I think my standard old guard tourny list would be able to mop this up and keep your pinned the entire game. Guard pack a lot of ap and when you advance into that, your going have to remain in your bubble for fnp. So your either take a ton of fire power vs armour 3 or staying in your bubble for armour 3 and fnp. In effect your putting a shackle on your army vs some of the armies that are out there.

Also if you gain cover for you dev squad, your going to be giving cover for firing threw your own troops. Its a lot of bodies, but picking the fight will win the day vs this army...