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My friend and I got into a discussion about this topic a few days ago and I'm not sure which way to go on this. If an IC has EW and gets hit by an ID weapon does he lose all of his wounds except for one or just a single wound? My friend's argument was that all EW does is prevent you from dying outright, not losing the rest of your wounds. My thought was that you only take one wound as normal. Any thoughts or previous FAQ's on this?

Eternal Warrior makes you immune to the Instant Death rule. It's just that simple. Instant Death has no effect.

EW ignores the effects of ID.

The effects of ID are that if the model takes an unsaved wound, then the model is killed outright.

Therefore, EW prevents the model from being killed outright.

I don't believe there is any mention of multiple wounds being taken instead in the rules.

His argument was the opposite, and was there ever an FAQ about this?

Nope, no faq to my knowledge.

When a Model takes a Wound, lets say a 3 wound T4 Sm Captain. He takes 1 wound, yet if it was an ID wound and he has failed his Invul/armour save he is killed outright.

However let's say it's Lysander, EW, T4. If he fails his invul/armour save to a weapon that would cause ID he only takes 1 wound as normal

Yeah, Agent this is a very universal rule. I've never seen this question or even heard this debate. ID does not do extra wounds, it kills the model. Since you ignore ID, you just take the initial wound.

Sounds like your friend was getting confused by the ID vs. EW rules that were in the Pancake Edition. (leaked 6th Ed. rules) In those rules, there were different tiers of both ID and EW, and ID would cause multiple wounds.

However, in the current game there are no additional wounds dealt.

Or it could be he's referring to Gargantuan creatures in Apocalypse games?

Where did they get the eternal warrior rule from, is there anything like that in the fluff? doesn't really make sense from my perspective, if you get a lascannon through the head you die, the fact that your girlyman's chosen shuldn't help

EW throws ID out the window. He would only take one wound.

He might have been thinking of the rule in determining the winner of an assault (p39 BRB) - "including all of the Wounds
lost by models that have suffered instant death"

Could be. If a multi-wound model gets ID'd, then it counts as X wounds for combat resolution, where X is the total number of wounds the ID'd model had.

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Where did they get the eternal warrior rule from, is there anything like that in the fluff? doesn't really make sense from my perspective, if you get a lascannon through the head you die, the fact that your girlyman's chosen shuldn't help

It was originally just a rule for Eldar Phoenix Lords (who have survived millenia and countless battles) to represent how they can never truly die.

But, then other armies went: "That's a really cool rule, my SM should get that" and we quickly devolved to the EW spam we have today.

Well, it was removing ICs ability to single out PFs that really spurned the proliferation of EW, or at least one of the most prevailing factors. There's never been as much ID mechanic in the game as there as now, so consequently if you want to make a powerhouse that doesn't get bitch pwned buy a random slug with a lascannon or PF, you have to EW them.

Grakmar wrote:

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Where did they get the eternal warrior rule from, is there anything like that in the fluff? doesn't really make sense from my perspective, if you get a lascannon through the head you die, the fact that your girlyman's chosen shuldn't help

It was originally just a rule for Eldar Phoenix Lords (who have survived millenia and countless battles) to represent how they can never truly die.

But, then other armies went: "That's a really cool rule, my SM should get that" and we quickly devolved to the EW spam we have today.

yet the DE book only has one thing with EW, the DE phoenix lord. racism!

The bid book has no EW models. Take that DE!

The funny thing is that eldar has a couple of weapons that will kill out right, If any weapon says to remove the model reguardless of how many wounds the model has or the models toughness, but it does not say anything about causing ID than the model is moved even with EW. So keep an eye out for the wording in the weapon being used.

No it doesnt - D weapons just cause ID.

The DE book has remove from play weapons

Last i checked the Dire avengers had a weapon has the rule of it kills an opponent out right regardless of the number of wounds left. which wouldn't be ID if they do have a weapon like that.

But the point is that unless the weapon says causes Instant death, EW doesn't matter. Of course FAQs for weapons would change this if the weapon has been FAQ'ed. But yea its all the same DE and Eldar, Both full of the Bs we all know and love.