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Can anyone tell me the which variant of the leman russ is best to use in a allround game? Thank you.

Executioner.

Or Battle Cannon for cheap long range and practical.

I use the Exterminator type (easyer to convert a sentinel into), add Pask its all gravy.
Still the LRBT has got'm some love from me as whom dosn't like ap3 pie plates landing on them pesky SMs that every one and their gran has

That plasma cannon one and the Demolisher Imho. They both pack AP 2, both get a lot of wounds, and one gets to roll two dice and take the highest for armor pen...

The bog standard LRMBT . Cheap , cheerful and gets gak done .

Close second would be the Executioner with plasma sponsons . I like the smell of burnt Marine in the morning . It smells like victory !
Then the Demolisher . Str 10 AP 2 pie plates are always good .

The rest , meh .

Demolisher for me. One with plasma sponsons is fairly reliable vs pretty much anything.

Two will leave nothing standing.

I can't decide between Vanquisher and Executioner.

Both have the massive amount of firepower, one have better range other have better splash.

I am not sure because 1 veteran guard player tell me to see if the leman russ punisher with bolter sponson and with pask will do the trick. Is it true??

Punished? The S5 R24" Heavy 20 thing?

Mathhammer it man, 26 shots if it doesn't move, 17 hits, against space marines that would equal about 12 wounds roughly, and after saves 4 die. If they are terminators only 2 die.

Demolisher will kill 4-5 on adverage, if your lucky you can kill up to 9 in a singly turn with plasma sponsons. If they are terminators that will kill about 3-4 or if they have shields 1.5-2.5.

The difference is that the Demolisher can insta kill models with a toughness of 5 or less, and can also deal with vehicles.

All that makes the Demolisher better. The Executioner does about the same amount of damage against terminators, but you have a better chance of hitting because it fires more blasts.

I personally don't like the Vanquisher, I feel like I am only fielding a tougher Hydra with less range and no special abilities.



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Note that mathhammer is all based on a Demolisher without Pask.

Dr.Dakka wrote:I personally don't like the Vanquisher, I feel like I am only fielding a tougher Hydra with less range and no special abilities.

That's the Exterminator.

Each Leman-Russ, apart from one or two, are the best at diffferent things. Punisher is just meh, mostly, but the demolisher is great against blob units of enemies (S10, AP2, large blast), the Executioner is superb for dealing with heavy infantry with it's enormous plasma weapons, Eradicator helps against units in cover and the Exterminator is not bad for mopping it's way through enemy units (although I'd prefer an Executioner). The basic LRBT is just plain good.

The one I left out, the Vanquisher, is my favourite. 72" range, which leaves it almost untouchable at the back of the battlefield, S8+2D6 armour penetration. Now add in Pask and you're getting BS4 with +1 to armour pen rolls. It's expensive, 250 or so points with a Lascannon on the hull BUT it's damned nasty. Friend of mine took one out for a stroll to see how it did and it paid for its points easily.

Actually I do have good things to say about the Executioner and that's the two twin-linked autocannons. Back when I used one it was 'Twin-linked Autocannon', so half the shots it has now and it was a pretty evil thing then with the rerolls - now you get 4x shots with re-rolls. I still would prefer the Executioner though.

For me its.

Leman Russ Battle Tank with hull mounted lascannon. Good anti horde and anti tank.

2nd would be the demo tank.

Standard Leman Russ ( cheap ) or the Executioner ( many nice blasts ) i would say. The Vanquisher, especialy with Pask, is far too expensive for what little it does ( oh look, an ap2 cannon...how...impressive...for 230 points ).

Executioner/Demolisher tag-team, or plain-jane Russes for the Battle Cannons.

KingDeath wrote:The Vanquisher, especialy with Pask, is far too expensive for what little it does ( oh look, an ap2 cannon...how...impressive...for 230 points ).

With 2D6+1 armour penetration at a range of 72". By law of averages you're going to roll 7 on average with 2D6 - on average that is a penetrating hit on a Land Raider before you add in the +1 to penetration rolls for Pask, and you're hitting on 3+. Please list what can seriously harm a Vanquisher at its full range of 72" in a 'standard' 40k game (as in no Apocalypse/FW).

I have tried the Vanquisher pattern before but it was grim. Emperor damn them orks with Kustom Force Field 4 + save on the AV 14 Battlewagon . He pass all his cover saves and chop my Pask into bits. :bleep

Executioner...

Hello chaos termies...5 plasma canon shots later...some clean up that sticky mess where the termies were

Executioner, I like me some plasma plates and OSL spam.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:Please list what can seriously harm a Vanquisher at its full range of 72" in a 'standard' 40k game (as in no Apocalypse/FW).

Broadsides

Shrike325 wrote:

Sparks_Havelock wrote:Please list what can seriously harm a Vanquisher at its full range of 72" in a 'standard' 40k game (as in no Apocalypse/FW).

Broadsides

So we have one threat. Let's have some more, and not IG ones please, others that can match the range & AT power of a Vanquisher.

Shrike325 wrote:

Sparks_Havelock wrote:Please list what can seriously harm a Vanquisher at its full range of 72" in a 'standard' 40k game (as in no Apocalypse/FW).

Broadsides

after that nothing but consider most boards set up as 4x6 i just have to get within 48 inches and most of the time i start there

That is indeed the issue for the Vanquisher (and also the Hydra when used as an anti-inf/light vehicle platform), a factor I had not really considered. On a bigger board, or if players were to use the short table ends on a 6x4 for deployment, then the Vanquisher would be well worth the points.

I've played with several of the varieties, but the only setup I've wound up sticking with in the end is:

Leman Russ Exterminator
Hull Lascannon
Sponson Heavy bolters

Unlike the regular russ or the demolisher, it basically isn't affected by cover or your opponent spacing out their models. Unlike The punisher, vindicator, or eradicator, it's actually doing damage.

The only one that leaves out is the exterminator, which I really don't like. Against an opponent who knows what 2" coherency means, a template with a 1.5" radius isn't hitting many models. Against vehicles or units with a good invul save, or in cover, the Ap doesn't mean much. Basically, it's the most expensive way to field three autocannons, unless you're packing sponsons, in which case it's the most expensive way to field 5 autocannons.

Demolisher is my favorite hands down. AV 14 rushing at you to drop a large pie of S 10 AP 2 is very trheatening to most opponents, especially when there are 2 of them and they are heavily backed up.

Next would be the LRBT, simple, long range.

Last is the Executioner, the fluff is cool and most opponents have heard of it wreaking havoc...although I have not seen it do too much.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:

KingDeath wrote:The Vanquisher, especialy with Pask, is far too expensive for what little it does ( oh look, an ap2 cannon...how...impressive...for 230 points ).

With 2D6+1 armour penetration at a range of 72". By law of averages you're going to roll 7 on average with 2D6 - on average that is a penetrating hit on a Land Raider before you add in the +1 to penetration rolls for Pask, and you're hitting on 3+. Please list what can seriously harm a Vanquisher at its full range of 72" in a 'standard' 40k game (as in no Apocalypse/FW).

For codex spess muhreens alone,

Deep striking Landspeeders with mm,
Deep stricking dreads with mm,
drop poding whatever infantry with meltas is avaiable,

Space marine players will probably find more.

Basicaly, anything that can take out a Hammerhead or a standard Leman Russ can also take out a Vanquisher.
Besides that, even if we assume autopens ( which isn't too far off with the 2d6 +1 armour pen ) the tank has a chance of 2/9 to actualy destroy something. For 230 points that's quite bad.

I like the bog standard Russ. It's well rounded. I like the demolisher because anti (insert type here) goodness. I like the eradicator because it makes guard and eldar look silly hiding in all that cover.

Broadsides are harder to kill than a vanquisher, do more damage, and have the same range...

SW Exterminator, oh how I miss you.

The Punisher.
There is no such thing as too much firepower...

Demolisher. Strength 10 pie plates with AV 14/13/11 is just...sweet. Especially when you have 3 of them.

purplefood wrote:The Punisher.
There is no such thing as too much firepower...

If you like effective firepower the Punisher is NOT the way to go.