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Yes and before anyone says they are non-aligned, I know this but when i look at the army book they feel more of a force of order, sure they want to get everyone beneath there feet but that is only the evil bit from them, everything else seems like a "get off mah lawn" and "give me my money back" type of thing, and when pitted up against other forces they seem to hate the forces of destruction (Such as daemons and chaos), so to me they seem more of a force of order IF they had to choose, but what do you think?

Also do TK hate VC? (after seeing some fluff from the army book I would have thought they would be jealous and angered by there existence because they use heretical tomes of Nagash).

Cheers to all comments.

The TK do hate VC as it talks about their wars with us extensively in both army books and Nagash is really not the TKs favorite superclown.

I would say TK lean more towards order but their hatred of the newer peoples keeps them from being true order

Johnny-Crass wrote:The TK do hate VC as it talks about their wars with us extensively in both army books and Nagash is really not the TKs favorite superclown.

It's funny because the Nagash model looks like a clown!

On a more serious note, I'd say order too.
Interesting thing is that I believe them to be neutral for the opposite reason of Ogres. Ogres will work for anything if they get the food and loot they want. Tomb Kings want to work alone.

And yes, they hate Vampires. Remember, the Tomb Kings and Liche Priests that fought against the Vampires are the ones that's still around, and they haven't exactly forgotten what the Vampires did to them. It's not just a war that their ancestors fought as would commonly be the case. They were there, they remember personally.
Must feel bad for those young Vampires who have know idea why their fellow Nehekharan Undead hate them so...

Tomb Kings are most certainly Order. If it weren't for the fact that they don't really need much of anything, I'm certain there'd be at least small amounts of trade going on between them and some of the others. What I don't understand is how Lizardmen are Order, and not Unaligned or Chaotic.

And TK hate Vampires because, while the TK feared and pushed away death, the VC embraced it. While the TK embalmed themselves, and waited patiently for the Mortuary Cult to find the way to Unending Life and a return from Death, Nagash used foul sorceries to steal life from others, and ended up killing the entirety of Nehekhara, and resurrecting them all before their time had properly come. The entire reason the Tomb Kings are withered husks of dessicated flesh and bones instead of perfectly healthy undying immortals is that Nagash was impatient and arrogant.

Not to mention the Vamps were generally corrupt and debaucherous, and attempted to infiltrate the Khemrian courts way back when. They even killed and tried to turn Khalida!

I would also say order. They just want to maintain the status quo in their own country, it seems to me.

And they really, really hate vampires. Vampires are the creation of nagash, who pretty much cursed the whole of nekaraha with undeath. Considered that its a culture who believe that they can only achieve afterlife if they are properly laid to rest, this really pissed them off.
Also ironic when you think about it.

Lizardmen and TK are similar. But Lizardmen still allow for other races to exist, just if they are in their proper place and doing their proper things. TK rule would be an ordered paradise, but only for TK. The reason they aren't destruction is they don't seem to go out of their way to do it.

Without question order but I think the reason most of us have that view is because of their eternal war with the Vampire Counts and more specifically Nagash who is the poster child of evil...

TK are nothing if not ultimate manifestations order and hierarchy.
The reason GW does not treat them as such is b/c they are dead and really have no stake in well being of the world in general.

Going of the fact that Necrons of 40k are "TK in space", and are order, I'd say order.

Plus I like skeles, and hate zombies. So there.

I would say neutral.

From what I know they wont do anything unless you take their stuff or you dont gtfo their lawn.

So I would say neutral. They seem to only get out of bed when it matters to them and not others so thats my thoughts.

Neutral, leaning toward Order. Keep in mind that (at least in old fluff) they were trying to rebuild their society (along with living peoples) and return the splendor. They also aligned (when alive) with Lizardmen, and were on non-favorable / speaking terms with Dark Elves.

The only real argument for them being Disorder is that they will screw with the Empire and other Order nations to reclaim lost relics.

it Depends on the Lord more than anything, if its Arkan its Destruction but if its Setra it is quite clearly Order, and Khalida treads the line but if i had to choose probably Order, but in general if named characters arent used they are one of the few nutral parties in warhammer fantasy

KillerSkivil wrote:it Depends on the Lord more than anything, if its Arkan its Destruction but if its Setra it is quite clearly Order, and Khalida treads the line but if i had to choose probably Order, but in general if named characters arent used they are one of the few nutral parties in warhammer fantasy

This probably isn't relevant, but I've always wondered what Arkhan is doing in the TK book...

I belive he is only in the Book as that is where he ended up and also where he mannaged to raise an army that folows him, also because the only other book he could go in is vampire counts and for some reason that just dosnt seem right

He's being Eeeeevil...

Neural with a side sprinkelig of good. They are like those old people who yells at you when one is on their lawn

KillerSkivil wrote:it Depends on the Lord more than anything, if its Arkan its Destruction but if its Setra it is quite clearly Order, and Khalida treads the line but if i had to choose probably Order, but in general if named characters arent used they are one of the few nutral parties in warhammer fantasy

Also I would put Rhamotep under Destruction just because of his little hissy fits he throws with the rest of the world

Arkhan began his "career" as Nehekaran. So it's a valid move to have him be their character, his only truly unique trait was the access to the Dark power of Nagash.
Unique VC undead are really a product of isolation from the native land.

Going back to the post that put Lizardmen at neutral or chaotic, they would most definitely be Order. They hate all things chaos, including the warp mutation spawned rat men, and allow all other races to continue they're existence unhindered as long as they stay within the boundaries of the Old Ones great plan. They however, DO NOT tolerate the presence of outsiders in Lustria, and have been known to attack high elves near their borders becuase of missidentification (The Dark Elves like to plunder Lustria's treasures and therefor are despised and attacked on sight by the Lizardmen. This happens to sometimes cause them to attack the High Elves due to the Lizardmen thinking they are Dark Elf thievs). But overall they are the ultimate race of order. Their entire existence is build upon the goal of achieving the Old One's great plan for the Warhammer world.

Play Lizardmen and LOVE the lore if you couldn't tell