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I was certain this came up before, but I couldn't find it. Does a vehicle get a Kustom Force Field cover save from a Death or Glory shooting attack? I instinctively said no, but I am hard pressed to find a reference that says so.

It doesn't say you can't take the save in the BRB, and the only thing the FAQ mentions is you can't take an obscured save from a skimmer moving flat out during a tank shock against a death or glory attack. I would say you probably can't but there's really not allot to back that up.

Pg 6 of the FAQ does set a precedent against Obscured Saves being taken against a DoG attack.

how is your tank DoG against a tank shock? wouldnt that just be treated as a straight up ram?

- im also pretty sure tanks do not get benefits of cover when ramming or tank shocking. BRB out on loan so i dont have a pg number though. just going on recollection - wich tbh has been spotty latley with the university grind in full swing. to take with whatever pile of salt required,

I couldn't find anything in the BRB saying you couldn't take them against a DoG attack, the only president I could find was about skimmers in the FAQ.

Cover applies against any shooting which doesn't specifically negate it. If the BW is still in KFF radius when it gets to 1" away from the DoGing unit, then it'll benefit from said KFF.

DarthSpader wrote:how is your tank DoG against a tank shock? wouldnt that just be treated as a straight up ram?

My Battlewagon with a KFF Big Mek inside was Tank Shocking Marines with a Multi-Melta.

Mannahnin wrote:Cover applies against any shooting which doesn't specifically negate it. If the BW is still in KFF radius when it gets to 1" away from the DoGing unit, then it'll benefit from said KFF.

Thank your for the input. By the way, you do not stop 1" away from a DoGing unit, you have to come "into contact" with them.

for sure it would depend. If they are trying to kill you with a melee weapon then the answer is a straight up No. other then that not sure.

White Ninja wrote:If they are trying to kill you with a melee weapon then the answer is a straight up No.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Does a vehicle get a Kustom Force Field cover save from a Death or Glory shooting attack?

Yes, because you are being hit with a shooting attack, and you have nothing that disallows the save.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

DarthSpader wrote:how is your tank DoG against a tank shock? wouldnt that just be treated as a straight up ram?

My Battlewagon with a KFF Big Mek inside was Tank Shocking Marines with a Multi-Melta.

Mannahnin wrote:Cover applies against any shooting which doesn't specifically negate it. If the BW is still in KFF radius when it gets to 1" away from the DoGing unit, then it'll benefit from said KFF.

Thank your for the input. By the way, you do not stop 1" away from a DoGing unit, you have to come "into contact" with them.

You have to be able to reach them with the move, but you resolve the DoG attack with the vehicle 1" from the unit, as if you Immobilize, Wreck, or Stun the vehicle it is stopped 1" away.

Mannahnin wrote:you resolve the DoG attack with the vehicle 1" from the unit, as if you Immobilize, Wreck, or Stun the vehicle it is stopped 1" away.

Where does it say that? Pg 69 says "directly in front". Pg 68 does say that the vehicle has to stop when it comes into contact with a friendly model or 1" from an enemy vehicle as no Ram has been declared, but above that on the right column it says "move the vehicle straight forward until it comes into contact with an enemy unit".

You have to infer it from the instruction to stop the vehicle 1" away if the DoG attack manages to stop the tank. Yes, there is a contradiction with the instruction to move the model into contact with the enemy unit. You kind of have to kludge it, for maximum precision of resolution.

IME the best way to resolve it is to measure the move to make sure the vehicle can actually reach contact with the tank-shocked unit, take any applicable dangerous terrain test en route, take the morale test, if passed, check which models are being crossed and resolve DoG if it's being taken, then move the tank 1" away of DoG stops it. If DoG doesn't, then move the tank its full declared distance. If the tank would end its move on top of some of the models, hold it above them so you can see where the move will end, and move the covered models the minimum distance to get outside 1" while keeping coherency.

Mannahnin wrote:You have to infer it from the instruction to stop the vehicle 1" away if the DoG attack manages to stop the tank.

How is this inferred when it states several times "in contact"? Where are you getting the 1" distance from?

From the requirement to be placed 1" away if DoG is succesful.

nosferatu1001 wrote:From the requirement to be placed 1" away if DoG is succesful.

Where does it say this?

I believe they are referring to page 69, where the rules states that if any model would wind up under the tank (at final position) they must be moved 1" away while maintaining coherency. (right column, third paragraph)

Happyjew wrote:I believe they are referring to page 69, where the rules states that if any model would wind up under the tank (at final position) they must be moved 1" away while maintaining coherency. (right column, third paragraph)

Yeah, this is the only thing I can find.

Nos, are we missing something, or are you mis-remembering?

Yes, that is what I mean - if you are succesful at halting the tank, then you must be 1" away from it.

Between that and being unable to close within 1" outside the assault phase (and during a tank shock, which has now failed) I'd say 1" away is correct.

Happyjew wrote:I believe they are referring to page 69, where the rules states that if any model would wind up under the tank (at final position) they must be moved 1" away while maintaining coherency. (right column, third paragraph)

The vehicle does not stop 1" away from the unit. It moves at least to the base of the first model. It is up to the models in the unit to move 1" away from the vehicle (if it is not wrecked or destroyed) at the end of the Tank Shock. Is this what everybody is agreeing to?

I apologize. I must have been confusing this with the rules for stopping 1" away from other vehicles. It stops "directly in front" of the model attempting the DoG. So I suppose you would determine radius for effects like KFF or Shield of Sanguinius with the vehicle moved up to the point where it is just barely not touching the DoGing model.