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I remember the old 1 man Knights Paladin in EPIC 40K, I have been trying to get some reference Material for the height of one. I keep seeing them and they all look to big for Knights when compared with say a "Warhound" Titan.

So far I believe they would be about 9" to 10" high. I think this makes the Dreadknight a viable option as basis to be converted over (Eg providing the legs and arms) with the Head etc being added on.

Does anyone have any advice on this one.

Based on a person being about 1" high, Id guess that 9-10" probably isnt far off.

That makes them about the same height as the FW Warhounds though.

From what I remember, given that I cant currently find any of the Knight sized epic models I have, they were definitely smaller than a Warhound.

Assuming that the existing 40K are actually undersized, I'd reckon that making on about 7-8" high might be better.

Hmm, reconsidering then going for 7"-8" seems reasonable. Especially if a space marine at 28mm is meant to be 2metres tall. That would make the Knight about 13-14metres.

I have some of the epic ones I can measure, but no other epic stuff to measure for comparison. Ill measure them tonight and post if you think it'll help.

There was a really good size comparison chart floating around the Articles section a while ago.

The upshot is that the infantry and warmachines in Epic were never really in 'realistic' scale to each other the way that the FW models are.

If a FW warhound is about 10", and a regular Dreadnought about 5", then you're looking at around 7/8" for a Knight. This puts them at roughly the same height as a Dreadknight??

IIRC this was discussed in a past thread, and people sited places where the Knight size was stated, and in 40K it scaled out to just over 6 inches tall. Basically its a beefed up Dreadknight with cockpit instead of an open pilot.

I use three of these for "Knight" proxies. I still have to grimdark them someday, but they are 6" tall and they seem more than adequate on the tabletop. The ranged weapon is easily the size of a Leman Russ Battlecannon, which is what one of the Knight patterns has. (Errant?)

http://figure-archive.net/item.aspx?itemID=25145

Dont forget they're large enough to carry a single weapon from a warhound titan.

rigeld2 wrote:I have some of the epic ones I can measure, but no other epic stuff to measure for comparison. Ill measure them tonight and post if you think it'll help.

If you post one with some sort of measurement next to it, I can compare it to my epic Warhounds and Reavers.

This is mine, (unpainted, easier to see the differences) based on the Dreadknight kit. Basically, I had my copy of Mechanicum, where it states that a Knight was about 9'-10' tall, give or take.




It doesnt look much bigger than a dreadknight, but stand it next to a completely untouched, out-of-the-box dreadknight and the cockpit is about level with the top of its shoulders, and it can fit beneath the legs of a warhound.

@Japehlio Love it. This is exactly what I want to make. Thanks for the Inspiration.



I want to separate the legs a little so I can have a banner. Slightly wider pelvis, large Torso and hulking shoulders. Maybe use a Sentinal Cockpit as the head piece.

Otherwise I think your version is pretty spot on. Found these rules.....

Knight Power Field:
Imperial Knight Titans are protected by powerful force fields, that reduce the strength of incoming enemy firepower. Unlike the mighty void shields of a true Titan, these fields provide a focused shield in a single direction. This powerful protection is needed for them to truely aid their larger brethren on the battlefield.

A unit equiped with Knight Power Fields ignores the effects of the destroyer special rule against attacks coming from its front arc. Treat these as S10 ranged attacks instead. All other attacks from the front arc have a maximum strength of 8. Ignore these restrictions if the attack comes from within 6" of the unit.

Knight Lancer:
300pts.
F:13 S:12 R:11 WS:2 BS:4 S:10 I:1 A: 1
Type: Super-heavy Walker
Structure Points: 2
Equipment:
Knight Close Combat Weapon
Vanquisher Battle Cannon
2 Heavy Bolters
Knight Power Field

Special rules:
Irresistable Charge: Instead of gaing the normal bonus attack on the charge the Knight Lancer may reroll missed to hits and automatically penetrates any armor value and/or wounds any toughness value. Against creatures with a toughness value it causes d3 wounds.
Fleet


Knight Errant :
300pts.
F:12 S:12 R:11 WS:2 BS:4 S:10 I:1 A: 1
Type: Super-heavy Walker
Structure Points: 2
Equipment:
Knight Meltacannon
2 Heavy Bolters
Knight Close Combat Weapon
Knight Power Field

Options:
May excahnge its Knight Meltacannon for a Knight Inferno Gun +25pts.

Knight Meltacannon:
Range: 48", S:10, AP:1, Heavy 1, Melta, Primary weapon
Knight Inferno Gun:
Range: Helstorm, S:6, AP:3, Heavy 1, Primary Weapon

Knight Paladin:
350pts.
F:13 S:12 R:11 WS:2 BS:4 S:10 I:1 A: 1
Type: Super-heavy Walker
Structure Points: 2
Equipment:
Knight Autocannon
Knight Close Combat Weapon
2 Heavy Bolters
Knight Power Field

Options:
May upgrade its Knight Autocannon to a:
Laser Destructor+100pts.
Knight Blastgun+50pts.

Knight Autocannon
Range: 60, S:8, AP:3, Heavy 5 Primary weapon
Laser Destructor
Range: 48", S, AP:2, Heavy 1, 5"Blast, Destroyer, Primary weapon
Knight Blastgun
Range: 60", S:8, AP:2, Heavy 1, 7" Blast, Primary weapon

Knight Warden
375pts.
F:13 S:12 R:11 WS:2 BS:4 S:10 I:1 A: 1
Type: Super-heavy Walker
Structure Points: 2
Equipment:
2 Autocannons
2 Knight Bolters
1 Knight Missile Launcher
Knight Power Field

Options:
My exchange its Knight Bolters with 4 Hydra Autocannons for +40pts
May exchange its Knight Missile Launcher for:
an Earthshaker Cannon- free.
A Ordnance 2 Medusa Siege Cannon- +50pts.
In either case it counts as a primary weapon due to the heavy shielding on a Knight Warden

Knight Missile Launcher:
Range: 24-120", S:7, AP:3, Apocalypse Barrage 3, Primary Weapon

What Rules do you use for Apocolypse out of interest?

Mmmm... I feel like having another project...

right well assuming you go to the same scale as mine, a sentinel cockpit is slightly too big, plus it doesnt have the same "organic" shape of a knight titan head, itonically its too blocky and angular.
Also, on mine, I cut the hips (they are about .5" wider than a DK), same legs + arms, the "waist" is about 1" taller (but since its at an angle its hard to measure), and the torso section was cut in half vertically, and widened about 1".

Rules-wise, I run mine as a Dreadknight to tie in with my Pre-Heresy Imperial army. Havn't played apoc with it yet... :(

Fictional wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:I have some of the epic ones I can measure, but no other epic stuff to measure for comparison. Ill measure them tonight and post if you think it'll help.

If you post one with some sort of measurement next to it, I can compare it to my epic Warhounds and Reavers.

I'm at work now, I'll post pics tonight.

Hi, the basic knights for epic are slightly stooped looking but are about the same as a standard man in 28mm so you are looking at 5 inches, a warhound is about 40mm so should be only 7 inches.
Before Adeptus Titanicus was released (first epic game) GW were putting out teaser ads about 80ft machines (warlord) and the models were about 50mm head height then add carapace and weapons and you get your 80mm = 80ft , so the forge world stuff is oversized compared to the original concept.
Of course for most people bigger is better and they are your models so build what you want but you dont "need" to go over 5in.
Most of the more specialist knights were either taller or heavier and Eldae were much taller-do a google you will find plenty of pics and for scale bear in mind most will be on 25mm slotta-bases.

Mine stands roughly 9 inches tall, this seems to be about the right height as it is tall enough to really stand out and be awesome but not so tall as to be silly.

Using defiler legs he is mounted on a leman-russ-chassis size base for counts-as reasons

I follow your logic JPRP but I think I will upscale my ones slightly. Especially as a Contemptor Dreadnought it about 5". I think a Dreadknight is a nice size to start with.

As i said its up to you what you do, if it was chaos id say build it twice as big for the intimidation factor.
It would have been better if GW would have stuck with a fairly consistent size -it would have meant that a Warlord would have only been a little over 13inches high and if they wanted to sell bigger more expensive models an Imperator would have been feasable on a table smaller than a warehouse and of course it wouldnt be hard for them to invent something bigger still.

I would say that Grundz model is the size I would expect for a Knight. Although the cannon is quite a bit long for my tastes. Keep in mind that in the old games, like Titan Legions, a Stompa is basically an Ork analogy of a Knight.

Yeah, I agree on the cannon but i wanted to run parallels to a jousting lance with the flag on it, except it is the future, so it is a cannon

@JPRP you know with the constant Size creep of 28mm models I may well build them 9" high but they actually end up more like the original Ratio you talked about. Every 10 years GW mini's seem to grow 1-2 mm.

Take a Dreadknight and cobble on a Sentinal cab in place of the baby carriage.
Then have him carry a Russ sized battle cannon on one arm and a Lascannon on the other.
Use him as a counts-as Leman Russ tank.
Add a set of bolters to each upper arm segment, or on the shoulders themselves in place of sponsons.

Then take 2 AoBR dreadoughts (coz their cheap) and mold them together front to back. This gives you a 4 legged walker that can be used as a baseline Chimera chassis. Each arm can carry the weapon of the vehicle (multi-laser on one arm, bolter/flamer on the other). 2 rockets on each arm for a Manticore. 2 autocannons per arm for a Hydra. etc...
Eventually you will build an entire Guard Army where every vehicle is a walker.
The fluff being a world so rocky with crags and spikes that wheels and tracks are worn out after a single mile.

Make them slightly smaller and less bulky than the Forge World Warhounds and you'll be fine.

I always loved the Knights in Mechanicum and its great to see people using some. Fantastic rules and models guys!