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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/13 23:00:47
Subject: Necron Court
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Been Around the Block
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If a court consists of one cryptek that then is attached to something else do I get a kill point for killing the cryptek?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/13 23:03:34
Subject: Necron Court
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The Hive Mind
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No. You have to kill the cryptek plus the unit it's attached to.
Does the search function not work?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/13 23:04:37
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Sinewy Scourge
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Only when the unit that it is joined to has been destroyed.
The cryptek and the unit it is attached to are 1 unit for kill points.
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I have found again and again that in encounter actions, the day goes to the side that is the first to plaster its opponent with fire. The man who lies low and awaits developments usually comes off second best. - Erwin Rommel
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/13 23:21:32
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Been Around the Block
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Thank you both. I thought it worked like a warlock squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 02:23:56
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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Nah, you kill that whole squad, for one kill point total
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 09:13:17
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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You do get a kill point for killing the Cryptek.
Just like Wolf Guard, the Royal Court is a unit, that can be split off to lead other units. So if you have a royal court consisting of 2 Crypteks, and they are split up to lead two units of Warriors, then you will get a kill point for each unit of Warriors, and when the final Cryptek from that royal court dies, you will also get a kill point for it, as the court itself counts as a kill point, even if it's members were scattered across your army. Each Cryptek is not a kill point, but the entirety of the royal court is one.
If you only have a single Cryptek in your royal court, however, then that lone Cryptek represents the kill point of the royal court, all on his lonesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 09:41:17
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Codex:Necrons Royal Court
"Only one mermber of the Royal Court can join each unit in this manner. Otherwise they remain part of the Royal Court"
So any members of the RC that get attached to units don't count as part of the RC anymore. If all the members of the RC get attached to units and get killed, you don't get a KP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 10:07:01
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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azazel the cat wrote:You do get a kill point for killing the Cryptek
No, you dont.
If you split an entire royal court up when deplpying, then at the end of the game the Royal Court unit was not destroyed and so cannot yield a kill point - it never existed as a unit at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 10:53:50
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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nosferatu1001 wrote:If you split an entire royal court up when deplpying, then at the end of the game the Royal Court unit was not destroyed and so cannot yield a kill point - it never existed as a unit at all.
This is how we have been playing it. IMO it is one of the very nice things about RCs. If this is incorrect, I will have to rethink some of my lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 11:03:41
Subject: Necron Court
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Well the opposite would be an advantage for the necrons, because in order to get a KP from a court you would have to kill not only the RC unit but also all its members that are attached to units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 11:34:50
Subject: Necron Court
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not really an advantage - results in an additional possible killpoint, as opposed to none.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 12:44:46
Subject: Necron Court
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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He was saying that attached members still count as part of the royal court. If that were true, in order to get the KP from the RC, you would have to kill every member. So that would make it harder to get that KP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 13:58:21
Subject: Necron Court
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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no you dont get kill points for it. the only way the RC gives KP is if you start the game with models in the RC unattached to other units. Then that unit is worth a KP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 14:06:04
Subject: Necron Court
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Sinewy Scourge
Long Island, New York, USA
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Exergy wrote: no you dont get kill points for it. the only way the RC gives KP is if you start the game with models in the RC unattached to other units. Then that unit is worth a KP.
Partially right.
The other way for the royal court to give up a kill point is if there are any membes of a royal court that are still unattached to other units.
Those remaining members still form a unit and would still give up a kill point when destroyed.
To clarify;
You have a royal court with 2 lords and 2 crypteks.
1 lord joins a unit of warriors = 1 kill point
1 cryptek joins a unit of immortals = 1 kill point
The remaining lord and cryptek still are membes of the royal court and have not joined another unit. This 2 member royal court unit is worth 1 kill point as well.
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I have found again and again that in encounter actions, the day goes to the side that is the first to plaster its opponent with fire. The man who lies low and awaits developments usually comes off second best. - Erwin Rommel
"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 15:09:13
Subject: Necron Court
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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time wizard, that is what Exergy said, the RC only counts as a KP if you have unattached models forming the RC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/14 15:22:56
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Sinewy Scourge
Long Island, New York, USA
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Ahh, my error, just re-read his post.
We said the same thing.
Thanks Happyjew.
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I have found again and again that in encounter actions, the day goes to the side that is the first to plaster its opponent with fire. The man who lies low and awaits developments usually comes off second best. - Erwin Rommel
"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 06:25:34
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Huh. Really.
I've been playing the Royal Court exactly like Wolf Guard, where this issue is concerned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 12:41:57
Subject: Necron Court
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The Hive Mind
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... Because it is exactly like wolf guard.
You only get an extra KP if there are members that didn't split off so theyre a royal court unit.
If a unit of immortals has a cryptek, and the immortals are all slaughtered but cryppy is still chillin, no KP is earned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 20:17:16
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Yeah, but Wolf Guard is a kill point when all members of the unit are wiped out, even if they all split to lead other units. They're still a unit -albeit scattered- because they still take up an FOC Elite slot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 20:25:14
Subject: Necron Court
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Not sure if this is important but:
Q. When every model in a Wolf Guard Pack has been
split up to lead other packs does/can the enemy score a
Kill Point for that unit? (p86)
A. No.
This sounds to me that if you completely split up the Wolf Guard Pack/Royal Court, the original unit ceases to be.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 20:25:48
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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The Hive Mind
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azazel the cat wrote:Yeah, but Wolf Guard is a kill point when all members of the unit are wiped out, even if they all split to lead other units. They're still a unit -albeit scattered- because they still take up an FOC Elite slot.
No, that's not true.
Space Wolves FAQ page 5 wrote:
For example, I have a Wolf Guard squad of 10 and I like
to split 3 of them off to be Wolf Guard Pack Leaders,
one to lead my Blood Claws, one to lead my Grey
Hunters, one to lead my Long Fangs. My opponent
would score one kill point if he kills off all 7 of the
Wolf Guard left in the squad after splitting, who are
still forming a ‘normal’ unit. He doesn't need to kill all
10 of the Wolf Guard to get that kill point, as the other
three Wolf Guard are now part of other squads.
Conversely, because the Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are
attached to these new squads, he would not score a kill
point for killing those squads unless he kills ALL of the
models in those packs, including the Wolf Guard Pack
Leaders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 20:38:33
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Was this from the most recent SW FAQ, or have I just been giving up KPs for nothing for even longer than that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 20:39:11
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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The Hive Mind
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azazel the cat wrote:Was this from the most recent SW FAQ, or have I just been giving up KPs for nothing for even longer than that?
It's not pink, and I'm pretty sure it's been in there a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/15 21:00:33
Subject: Re:Necron Court
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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Well I feel like an idiot. (granted, I've never lost all of my Wolf Guard before, but this has come up about the Royal Court)
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