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Ok first post, but I wonder if this is something I can get away with without people caring.

I play Chaos Space Marines in 40k, and the sorcerors we are able to use can take a flying disc (when given a mark of Tzeetch/demonic steed), but there is no model for it.

I would like to use the follwing model in its place. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440108a&prodId=prod1050015

Of course I would remove the shield if possible and replace with a gun and such. Just wondering if this would be allowed.

Thanks in advance.

Of course you can do, why wouldn't you be able to?
Conversions are completely fine in the game of 40k. Without them, there would be hardly any appeal.

Me when it comes to chaos models, or conversions not related to ponies.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Of course you can do, why wouldn't you be able to?
Conversions are completely fine in the game of 40k. Without them, there would be hardly any appeal.

Relatively new to the whole conversion concept and wasn't sure what's allowed and what's not.
Glad to hear I can though, that model looks very nice.

So long as you make the model within reason, there is no way to deny it on the field. Basis of scratchbuilding.

Just take that model, and place it on a terminator base or a normal round base.

When it comes to conversions using GW parts: As long as it's clear what you're modeling, you're fine. One caveat to that: You cannot use Lord of the Rings figures. As I understand it, there was some sort of deal with licensing, and the end result is that you can't use LotR models in conversions in sanctioned GW events. Just to be on the safe side, I'd avoid using them as much as possible.

Jimsolo wrote:When it comes to conversions using GW parts: As long as it's clear what you're modeling, you're fine. One caveat to that: You cannot use Lord of the Rings figures. As I understand it, there was some sort of deal with licensing, and the end result is that you can't use LotR models in conversions in sanctioned GW events. Just to be on the safe side, I'd avoid using them as much as possible.

Not even parts of the model? Cause those balrog wings look sweet.

FelPyre wrote:
I would like to use the follwing model in its place. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440108a&prodId=prod1050015

Now that I think about it, it's not entirely clear if that shield holding arm is detachable or not. Going to have a hell of the time replacing it for a gun if it's moulded on to his body.

Any insight on this?

That would be fine.

Even if you just use the model straight, it would still be fine, although you might get some people who would whine about it.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:That would be fine.

Even if you just use the model straight, it would still be fine, although you might get some people who would whine about it.

I doubt many people would. It's still identifiable as a magic dude of Chaos, whether it's fantasy or 40k. A lot of people use Warriors of Chaos models in their Chaos armies for 40k. Go for it!

My friend played BA during like, 3rd edition, and spent hours carving a bolt pistol from a metal priest in order to glue a plasma pistol on. We were stupid kids...

If the shield isn't easily removed then leave it as is and to show that he has a pistol for the WYSIWYG whiners, I believe it is in the regular chaos marine box. But it is a holstered pistol on a flap of cloth that could easily be added onto the side.

Thanks guys, you've been a great help.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:When it comes to conversions using GW parts: As long as it's clear what you're modeling, you're fine. One caveat to that: You cannot use Lord of the Rings figures. As I understand it, there was some sort of deal with licensing, and the end result is that you can't use LotR models in conversions in sanctioned GW events. Just to be on the safe side, I'd avoid using them as much as possible.

Not even parts of the model? Cause those balrog wings look sweet.

According to Insaniak, it's apparently relaxed somewhat. But yeah, officially you can be told you can't use the model. Of course, Games Workshop can technically not allow you to use ANY conversion, if they deem it to be too much of a perversion of their intellectual property. To be on the safe side, I don't touch LotR product.

Jimsolo wrote: Just to be on the safe side, I'd avoid using them as much as possible.

I'd just avoid using them completely - but my position on lotr is (or at least, should be by now) known. I loathe it and the entire fantasy pastiche cliches that it spawned.
That and though I'm enamoured of many of the Perry bros. sculpts, the Lotr ones just don't do it even as "fantasy" minis.

Well then, *brofist to Chromedog* rock on brother. I couldn't agree more with the LotR hate, but I generally avoid saying so around gamers. While they can usually put up with it, if they find out I also hate anime, I run a good risk of getting stabbed.

Jimsolo wrote:Well then, *brofist to Chromedog* rock on brother. I couldn't agree more with the LotR hate, but I generally avoid saying so around gamers. While they can usually put up with it, if they find out I also hate anime, I run a good risk of getting stabbed.

Yeah, I am not that big of a fan of the LoTR miniatures either. The books are fine, the films ok, the models and gaming system...mehhh not interested. I always saw the gameplay as clunky, and the models are way to small and kinda bland looking for my taste. With the exception of the balrog, which would make great conversion fodder.

I think conversions are what make the game appealing. However, one needs to keep in mind that a lot of tournaments are WYSIWYG. So, one would need to keep that in mind.

Well, wysiwyg works to an extent, but GH have bolsters and chainswords in their basic equipment. Even if homeboy is holding his Bolger with two hands, it doesn't mean I have to glue a chainsword to his hip.

I have actually seen someone use that same model for the same reason before, it fits quite nice i think

Aslong as it is 70% GW product, then it's fine.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Well then, *brofist to Chromedog* rock on brother. I couldn't agree more with the LotR hate, but I generally avoid saying so around gamers. While they can usually put up with it, if they find out I also hate anime, I run a good risk of getting stabbed.

Yeah, I am not that big of a fan of the LoTR miniatures either. The books are fine, the films ok, the models and gaming system...mehhh not interested. I always saw the gameplay as clunky, and the models are way to small and kinda bland looking for my taste. With the exception of the balrog, which would make great conversion fodder.

have you ever played it?

The game system is actually *ghasp balanced!


It is quite abit different from 40k and Fantesy(no saves), but it is a very tactical game. Real world military formations actually apply and can be used effectivly(Phalanx, Shield wall, flanking maneuvers)

it is difficult to keep track of so many individual models if things like spells are permanatly debuffing guys, but aside from that the system is extremely solid.

The shield is built in. I have two of those guys, and it's a solid with the rest of the model.

I count it as an Icon for my Heralds of Tzeentch.

The halberd arm is seperate IIRC.

The disk is also as heavy as a small building, and sharp. Ideal for home defense, but the flying pin is a tad weak. I use a metal rod for mine.

Yeah, I had issues with that.

I used a flying base as a disk instead of that abomination(one more good thing about finecast though )

I like the new finecast disk-rider, but not the gruesome price.

I might convert myself up a few disks instead.

I used to run Epic Tzeentch, with disk-rider units galore

You get a flying base of your choice and put it on the flying stick(upside down) and then glue the stick to a 40mm base. Then you chaos-ify it and there you have a disk.

Or a warshrine!(my 2 Tzeentch warshrines are large flying base disks I added a bunch of magical and spiky bits to)

chromedog wrote:

Jimsolo wrote: Just to be on the safe side, I'd avoid using them as much as possible.

I'd just avoid using them completely - but my position on lotr is (or at least, should be by now) known. I loathe it and the entire fantasy pastiche cliches that it spawned.
That and though I'm enamoured of many of the Perry bros. sculpts, the Lotr ones just don't do it even as "fantasy" minis.

Well, theres certainly no accounting for taste.

I find it unfair to call LotR cliche, it is what everyone copied and why said things are now cliche.

Its the Original, so it is the best. Everything else is just a cheap ripoff.

Grey Templar wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Well then, *brofist to Chromedog* rock on brother. I couldn't agree more with the LotR hate, but I generally avoid saying so around gamers. While they can usually put up with it, if they find out I also hate anime, I run a good risk of getting stabbed.

Yeah, I am not that big of a fan of the LoTR miniatures either. The books are fine, the films ok, the models and gaming system...mehhh not interested. I always saw the gameplay as clunky, and the models are way to small and kinda bland looking for my taste. With the exception of the balrog, which would make great conversion fodder.

have you ever played it?

The game system is actually *ghasp balanced!


It is quite abit different from 40k and Fantesy(no saves), but it is a very tactical game. Real world military formations actually apply and can be used effectivly(Phalanx, Shield wall, flanking maneuvers)

it is difficult to keep track of so many individual models if things like spells are permanatly debuffing guys, but aside from that the system is extremely solid.

Yes, I have played it, otherwise I would not have criticized it. Though I think I may have played an earlier version, as I do not recall there being military formations.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Well then, *brofist to Chromedog* rock on brother. I couldn't agree more with the LotR hate, but I generally avoid saying so around gamers. While they can usually put up with it, if they find out I also hate anime, I run a good risk of getting stabbed.

Yeah, I am not that big of a fan of the LoTR miniatures either. The books are fine, the films ok, the models and gaming system...mehhh not interested. I always saw the gameplay as clunky, and the models are way to small and kinda bland looking for my taste. With the exception of the balrog, which would make great conversion fodder.

have you ever played it?

The game system is actually *ghasp balanced!


It is quite abit different from 40k and Fantesy(no saves), but it is a very tactical game. Real world military formations actually apply and can be used effectivly(Phalanx, Shield wall, flanking maneuvers)

it is difficult to keep track of so many individual models if things like spells are permanatly debuffing guys, but aside from that the system is extremely solid.

Yes, I have played it, otherwise I would not have criticized it. Though I think I may have played an earlier version, as I do not recall there being military formations.

I think what Grey templar is getting at is not that you get static bonuses for using certain formations, more like the formations are just effective because the game is so similar to actual midevail warfare. Correct me if i'm wrong.