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I think I know the answers to these but I just want to make sure

1) If you have a Mortis Engine beside a unit of Skeletons (which have sword and shield thus a 6+ ward save), do you get a 6+ ward and a 6+ regen or just one of the two? (I think it's the latter)

2) If you have a VC vamp general (General must have Lore of Vampires) with forbidden knowledge (Mage can take any Lore other then Light), can you bypass the Lore of Vampires requirement? Offhand I would say no, but I'm not 100% sure.

Thanks in advance.

1) In 8th, you can either take a Ward save or a Regeneration, but not both. Parry is a ward save, so you choose.

2) If the Vampire takes a Lore beside Vampire, then he did not meet the general's requirement to have the Lore of Vampires. So as akward as that came out, no he can't do that.

Davall has got it!

the VC Lore requirement is the only way to get around the "general must have the highest leadership" rule. So technically, you could have three fully tooled
vamp Lords but the general be a basic lvl1 Necromancer

Oooohhhhhh.....

So if I get a Master Necro or Vamp Lord, just give them Lore of Death (for example), give the lvl 1 Necro something to keep him alive as long as possible and lore of vampires to make him the general as he's the only one with Lore of Vampires (and hide hide hide!!), then you're set?

Oooohhhhhh.....

japehlio wrote:the VC Lore requirement is the only way to get around the "general must have the highest leadership" rule. So technically, you could have three fully tooled
vamp Lords but the general be a basic lvl1 Necromancer

I'm not so sure it works that way. I think it forces the highest LD wizard to choose lore of vampire. I'm hoping the FAQ clears it up with better wording; and makes it work the way you think it does.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

japehlio wrote:the VC Lore requirement is the only way to get around the "general must have the highest leadership" rule. So technically, you could have three fully tooled
vamp Lords but the general be a basic lvl1 Necromancer

I'm not so sure it works that way. I think it forces the highest LD wizard to choose lore of vampire. I'm hoping the FAQ clears it up with better wording; and makes it work the way you think it does.

-Matt

I agree. It doesn't replace the General's requirement of having the highest LD. All it does is place another limitation. If you take a Vampire Lord, he will always be your general.

I don't know about this...here's the catch; the vampire army book states your general must have the Lore of Vampires. The main book states that your highest LD char must be the general.

Using logic loops, you have two sets:

Set A: Lore of Vampires

Set B: Leadership (assume anything in set B is compared to itself, i.e. compares leadership scores of anything in set B. To make it work techinally just set Leadership >= 7, which will include every VC Hero or Lord model, then let the LD rule in the main book apply as normal)

if a Vampire Lord (VL) and a necromancer are both in the sample, taking A U B (which is by letter of the rules from what I can see) and you have the VL outside of the subset since it's in B but not in A, whereas the necro is in A U B thus can fit both criteria. Thus, the arguement about the vamp lord being forced to take lore of vampires doesn't hold because you can have something else other then a vamp lord that fits the criteria (the necro). Plus, it only says the general must be using the Lore of Vampires, not the highest leadership model must use the lore of vampires to make it the general.

Taking this same example, if the VL and necromancers both had lore of vampires, then yes, the VL must be the general because now he fits in A U B and thus the leadership rule now applies.

Not trying to be jerky here...I've done a fair bit of work with logic loops, and any chance to use that knowledge to practice I use, as now. I'm not perfect however (:

You are looking at this wrong. The way it is phrased your general must have lore of vamps so it goes like this

1. Look for the highest LD in your army
2. You found it he is your general
3. What lore should he have?
4. Oh he is your general he MUST have lore of vampires

That sucks...

How so? Lore of Vamps is amazing

Lore of death: 10 LD vamp lord with the basic spell is good, plus most death spells are short range; if you have a vamp lord on horse running in, range isn't a problem. That, and I like the assassination spells (the target 1 person and test vs. str or toughness). 2D6 vs. a T4 (or 3!) elf is good times...

I know lore of vamps isn't exactly bad...I'll be happy I assure you (: Wish there were more debuffs though :( The -3 LD debuff (in death) is good if you can win a combat or two...or for banshees or whatever.

Just take curse book and get best of both worlds!

Carp, re-read the army book, it states under "The General" that A: He must be a wizard and B: If he is able to choose a lore, it MUST be LoV. That counters my original thought that you could "force-choose" different lores to get the guy you wanted as the Gen.
Looks like it must be the Highest Ld guy, and he MUST choose LoV.
I are ronger...