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Let us have another this vs. that discussion, but a little different this time.

Let us say that Tau in their missions of exploration discover Aiur and ancient Protoss race there. Tau offer Protoss to join their empire, Protoss refuse and after several months Tau invade Aiur with big fleet. Now who would won in all out war between Protoss and Tau and their allies.



VS.

I would have to say the Tau empire.

The Protoss started life as Blizzard's version of the Eldar. And the Eldar would most likely stomp on the Tau.

As much as I like the Tau, they would lose in all-out war against every other 40k race. They simply don't have the resources that other races have. The battles that the Tau consider great victories are simply skirmishes or nuisances to the other races.

Terran marines can kill Protoss zealots. Terran marines.. Former convicts without training can kill trained warrior protoss. Yep Tau would win.

Protoss, have strong melee and range units, Tau lose to melee lock.

On a serious note the Protoss are able to glass entire planets and have the ability to use FTL that is quick.

They also used Eldar-esq gates for instant travel. Going to hand this victory to the protoss.

Brother Coa wrote:Let us say that Tau in their missions of exploration discover Aiur and ancient Protoss race there. Tau offer Protoss to join their empire, Protoss refuse and after several months Tau invade Aiur with big fleet. Now who would won in all out war between Protoss and Tau and their allies.

Nice try with your 15th or so Tau genocide thread. But that's not how Tau handle things.

From what I can gather you are talking about the entire Fire Warrior Tau Caste, Kroot, Vespid, Humans, Demiurg, Galgs, Nicassar, Tarellians and all other mercenries going to a planet and fighting its inhabitants.

Yes doesn't sound one sided at all.

Warrior Squirrel wrote:Terran marines can kill Protoss zealots. Terran marines.. Former convicts without training can kill trained warrior protoss.

They got a BIG armor, and a BIG guns.

Protoss repel them. Because the Protoss owned 1/3 of their galaxy.

Protoss are an EXTREMELY advanced race, every single Protoss can use Pyskic abilitys.

You know those glowing blue and green power swords? There physical manifestations of the concentrated power of the Protoss mind channeled through an bracer.

yea, protoss would annihilate the tau. It wouldn't even be remotely fair.

The only reason the Terrans are able to survive is that the Protoss and the Zerg prefer to go at each other far more often.

In Starcraft 2 the Dominion is invaded En-mass by the Zerg and has to withdraw literally everything back to there own core worlds to survive.

Plus Terrans are developing new Tech.

Terran armor is feces. Hot burning place, even flak armor is better.

It depends if it's a Korean player controlling the Protoss or not.

*shudders at Reaver drops"

Snarky wrote:It depends if it's a Korean player controlling the Protoss or not.

^Too funny.

I like the Tau and all, but I don't feel like they are capable of winning an 'all out' war with anyone.

Protoss, no way the small Tau empire could take on the Protoss.

Are people forgetting that technology in the 41st mellenium is alot more advanced that it is in the 26th centuary. Think about it the Tau weapons would dhred throught the armour of a protoss. You are basing your votes on wait of numbers and nothing else we do not even know who has more numbers tau and there Auxileries which there are many. Probablys multiple times what the Tau as a race have. And then all of the battleships and full Tau fleets. I would say the Tau could go head to head with protoss and win without any qualms.

...Protoss are much older than Tau even at 26th millenium and their technology is pretty damn good. Plus in the Star Craft universe, they're one of the most dominant species in the galxay. A comparable fight would be Pre-Slaanesh Eldar vs. Protoss

redkeyboard wrote:Are people forgetting that technology in the 41st mellenium is alot more advanced that it is in the 26th centuary. Think about it the Tau weapons would dhred throught the armour of a protoss.

The Tau are roughly four thousand years old from their first discovery by the Imperium if I recall correctly. I'm not sure how old the Protoss are, but we do know that they have the ability to perform Exterminatus. They are also all Psychics, which would greatly help them against the Tau who have no defence against Psychic powers.

Actually, Tau have a very low Warp-signature, and might not be as easy to target via psychic powers than other races... their warp-signatures getting lost in the "background static" and so forth.

Most Protoss aren't mind-crushers anyway, they create physical effects (like their stabby things) with their psychic power. They're also rather reliant on their warriors getting near-killed in battle before they stick them in those walker-tanks of theirs. Unless SC2, which I haven't stolen yet, changes the focus of the Protoss to a ranged-shooty army, they're going to lose lots of forces to the Tau.

hell, even my penal legion can kill space marines and big bad alien psykers. I really gonna have to toss out the "cause they are big and bad" argument. I'm gonna have to give to the protoss in large scale engagement but I see tau winning small skirmishes.

it'd be like protoss interceptos vs drones

the carrier vs rail gun (aka. yamato cannon)

melee with fleet vs plasma guns that bypass AP

Large scale it'd just be mass resources and the large dark arcons at high level games (err war)

Kroothawk wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Let us say that Tau in their missions of exploration discover Aiur and ancient Protoss race there. Tau offer Protoss to join their empire, Protoss refuse and after several months Tau invade Aiur with big fleet. Now who would won in all out war between Protoss and Tau and their allies.

Nice try with your 15th or so Tau genocide thread. But that's not how Tau handle things.

No thats actually exactly what happens. They have the "join or die" attitude. There are plenty of stories where this exact incident happens.

I want to say the Tau just because even the most basic warrior has a gun that can feth up any of the Protoss warriors and the Protoss just arnt massed enough for them to be able to make it into melee

Protoss have instantaneous warp-teleportation on their side. Ranged fire really isn't an issue.

And that's of course not counting things like psionic storms and Dark Templar. I would give it to the Protoss. This is really the only match a Starcraft race could win against a 40K race.

Psienesis wrote:Actually, Tau have a very low Warp-signature, and might not be as easy to target via psychic powers than other races... their warp-signatures getting lost in the "background static" and so forth.

It doesn't seem to work that way. Unless you're a Blank or a Psychic capable of defending themselves with that power (or protected by technology that the Tau don't have, or blessed by the Chaos Gods (or presumably the Emperor in terms of Living Saints)) then your as susceptible as everyone else. Psionic storm for instance doesn't really require accuracy against individual targets as well.

Most Protoss aren't mind-crushers anyway, they create physical effects (like their stabby things) with their psychic power.

According to the StarcraftWiki their shields are partially Psionically generated (so no stealing that technology) and have a degree of precognition. I'd suggest that their tactics in battle wouldn't actually involve blindly charging forth but rather use other units in tandem. There are also likely to be units not in the game that are around in the background. And as pointed out, the teleportation devices would be hugely useful, and the various cloaking and time-warping technology grants them a great deal of mobility.

Coa loves the Tau so much, he posts about them every 15 minutes.

First time I've seen a non 40k race beat a 40k race.

I saw who made the thread and my heart sank. No ghesses what coa voted for. I looked here because I've never played starcraft, but I an interested to know how protoss work. I'll save my vote depending on the arguement.

A lot of pro-Tau arguments are that they have a gun therefor they are better. Like Assault Terminators are no problem for the Tau because they don't have guns. Get real. The Protoss only have 2 units that melee (Zealots and Dark Templars), the rest of them have big guns.

To me, Zealots are the equivalent of fleeting terminators with lightning claws and psychic shields. Stalkers are dreadnoughts that can teleport and that's just their tier 1.

After all my hating of these threads...Im interested to see a Terran/Zerg/Protoss versus SM/Tyranids/Eldar

Protoss assumably vastly outnumber eldar, Space marines are prooobably gonna beat the crap out of terran, and Nids probably also vastly outnumber zerg, but none the less.