What do you think about an ork counts as IG army?

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**Far Seer**

I've been planning to create a Blood Axe force in the future, so they would have looted imperial attire, weapons, etc. Would it be alright if I use them as IG as well? So say shoota boyz as guardsmen, warboss/grot commander as officers, orks on heavy weapon bases as heavy weapon teams, looted leman russes, etc.

**Leigen_Zero**

What you mean to say is 'I want an ork army, but with access to all the cool stuff that IG gets and better BS'

Build a blood axe force by all means, but I would strongly recommend that you stick with the ork codex. From a modelling perspective it would be cool, but from an actual playing perspective people would consider it a bit lame.

**nkelsch**

Your "use them as IG as well?" is where you fail. It makes them proxies because instead of converting an army to be IG, you are going to leave them fitting ork rules with ork gear... And just proxy them as IG.

If you did the work to convert them as IG in gear, armor, weapons and so on, then they might work, but they wouldn't work as orks anymore.

Lazy proxies called "counts as" is wanting to have your cake and eating it too.

**MeanGreenStompa**

You got orks, play orks.

If you can't win with orks, either sell your orks or stop playing against grey knights.

**mrwhoop**

Little plastic toys are little plastic toys. As long as I see WYSIWYG then they could be checkers for all I care. Just be sure to get the opp. consent when you play as whatever army/codex you play them as. No mixing and matchingcodex units and I'd be down with playing your army.

**whigwam**

If they're WYSIWYG, then they can only play as Orks or IG. Not both. I think it's a great idea, but if half-assed it will not work.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Just make sure the weapons that are used look like they are representative of what the rules say they do.

Making huge conversions would no longer make it an Ork army. The only thing to do is don't play it as an Ork army.

**Fezman**

It might be worth choosing which Codex you want to use, and then keeping in mind WYSIWG for that Codex. So if you want to play them as IG you'd be replacing shootas with lasguns, putting your squads in Orky Chimeras instead of Trukks, and so on.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Fezman wrote:It might be worth choosing which Codex you want to use, and then keeping in mind WYSIWG for that Codex. So if you want to play them as IG you'd be replacing shootas with lasguns, putting your squads in Orky Chimeras instead of Trukks, and so on.

That would work pretty well, though I'm not sure about lasguns. I think shootas would work fine.

**whigwam**

Shootas will be fine for most people, I think, but they won't be WYSIWYG. Might not matter in a casual setting, but I think it would be best to go all out and give the Boyz Lasguns. Orks as IG is really "pushing it" when it comes to a count-as force, but if you put the effort in to convert every model, you give people very little to complain about.

**Ratius**

I voted yes as when you mentioned Blood Axes I sort of thought "hmmm, not a bad idea tbh".
However I think you'd have to modify it somewhat, things like Orders from Command squads, rigid platoon/army structure and Commissars are inherently IG and even Blood Axes wouldnt follow them imho.
But aside from that its quite an interesting idea, assuming as someone else said you dont make them wildly OP.

**Jag_Calle**

You can actually represent blood axes really well just using the ork codex, and still be quite efficent.

What is it the IG dex have, that you feel, that the ork 'dex is having trouble emulating?

A 25 ork shootaboy unit spaced with some creativity can easily contain heavier weaponry, etc, to represent 2 ten man squads and a kommand squad.

Heck, I have an imperial commissar representing a human advisor (count as attack squig) for my warboss even...

//Calle, blood axe genrul.

**Far Seer**

Thanks for all the feedback. Magnetising lasgun and shoota arms so that I could use them in both armies is an option I'm considering, but it would be quite difficult.

**ph34r**

Perhaps consider grots as counts-as guardsmen instead. I have played against such an army and it was cool.

**rockerbikie**

No, they look too different.

**Ravendove**

I think the main issue is one of statistics. A grot for example, makes a great Guardsman substitute. That's why you see tons of Grot Imperial Guard counts-as.

However an Ork, with T4, more attacks, WS4, and so forth just doesn't "fit" as well.

My 2c.

**whigwam**

Jag_Calle wrote:You can actually represent blood axes really well just using the ork codex, and still be quite efficent.

What is it the IG dex have, that you feel, that the ork 'dex is having trouble emulating?

A 25 ork shootaboy unit spaced with some creativity can easily contain heavier weaponry, etc, to represent 2 ten man squads and a kommand squad.

Heck, I have an imperial commissar representing a human advisor (count as attack squig) for my warboss even...

//Calle, blood axe genrul.

Best advice in this thread IMO. Play Orks like IG, not as IG. With a little kunning, you can beat the umies at their own game.

**SlaveToDorkness**

I love the idea...so much that I built an army!

The Whole album:
Bloodaxe Blitzkrieg
Throughout 2 GTs and countless local tournies I NEVER had an issue with people not understanding.They were in WD twice as well.

**Far Seer**

That is...spectacular! Thanks for that, really helped motivate me! And you've got them all holding lasguns as well...Wow awesome

**SlaveToDorkness**

PM me with any questions you might have. It was a fun army that got a lot of attention (runner up for "Best Army" and "Players Choice" most of the time at least). I even had a T-shirt made that said "Can You Survive DA Blitzkreeg?!" on the front and "YES, they are Imperial Guard" on the back (for those people who did get confused).

**Ratius**

Yeah really nice army StD.

**Steelmage99**

If you do them well and stick to WYSIWYG there shouldn't be any problems using Ork models to represent an IG army.

Using the same models as both IG and Orks will be difficult as a Plasma Gun is a Plasma Gun and not a Big Shoota.

**Far Seer**

Well obviously I wouldn't be able to use things like heavy weapon teams in an ork army. So I thought about ONLY using army specific units in their respective armies.

So...commander can be warboss or commander.
Boyz with looted looking lasguns that look vaguely like shootas and vaguely like lasguns can be used as Ork boyz or guardsmen.
Boyz with plasma guns/flamers/grenade launchers only in IG army.(maybe I can magnetise these so I can swap em out)
Kommandos-Orks
Heavy weapons teams-IG
Lootas-Orks
etc....

**Ghenghis Jon**

For tournament play, there can be no question of the unit/model types or their wargear. If you field a Shoota Boyz Mob carrying Lasguns in an Ork list, there is no reason to have to magnetize the arms to switch the guns out. They are obviously not Slugga Boyz. If you field Shoota Boyz carrying Shootas in an IG list, they are just Guardsmen. For social play (which is like 95% of the matches played out there), you can do anything you and your opponent agree to.