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My opponent brought 12 mindshackle models. 2 squads of 6. How do I engage that with daemons?

EDIT: More specifically nurgle. I'm thinking pretty much not possible unless I throw 2 full squads of plague bearers. Khorne might do better.

Shoot them till they go down? I know its pretty hard to do though without tzeentch. Still those will be expensive squads he sunk in. Assuming just mindshackle and a warscythe, each squad is 360 points

kenshin620 wrote:Shoot them till they go down? I know its pretty hard to do though without tzeentch. Still those will be expensive squads he sunk in. Assuming just mindshackle and a warscythe, each squad is 360 points

It was 400+ per squad. I tried to shoot, but all I had was 4 MCs. The longest ranged gun was the template (4+ no armor and cover), and unfortunately, no wounds resulted. It was just a rough game overall. I think I'll have to shelf most of my nurgle army for awhile.

Hello all, I'm the one who played this list.

To be fair, I fully expected to fight Rephistorch's Grey Nights and just wanted to show him how annoying an army of force weapons is, I didn't expect to win at all. Then seeing an army with 4 units of one model, I figured I could maybe pull 4 or 5 kp before he got close to tabling me. The list was by no means optimized or even serious.

I think just having more swarms on the board and better deepstrike placement would have been enough for him to tarpit me until he killed off everything else in my army (which, as you already have guessed, was almost nothing)

I'm just glad he has something he hates just as much as my hating an army of force weapons

I find seekers to be a good tarpit unit as they can get in there from really far away and not likely to kill too many of themselves. Bring them together with a bloodcrusher unit to wipe them out.

It is fairly difficult to out shoot a necron blob even with shooty armies. Daemons especially not very good at shooting.

Soulgrinder immune to MSS?

Kevlar wrote:Soulgrinder immune to MSS?

Yes. It is a vehicle, isn't it? If so, then MSS has no effect on it.

So multicharge with a soul grinder and then say a unit of bloodletters. let the soul grinder get in B2B with most of them, then have one or two bloodletters get on the side and get the rest of the unit piled into the kill zone for assist attacks?

ummmm.... im very confused at the moment. if im right, are you using 2 units of 6 normal necron lords, with mindshacle scarabs, or are these canoptek scarab swarms you mean

The OP played 2 units of 5 lords and 1 overlord

Config2 wrote:The OP played 2 units of 5 lords and 1 overlord

EDIT: Nevermind, I misunderstood

Do they all have war scythes as well?

schadenfreude wrote:Do they all have war scythes as well?

Mss, scythe, and weaves. One per squad also had a res orb

If so the unit is 300+ points, probably closer to 500 with the cost of a decked out over lord with a 3++ invo and a res orb.

A soul grinder would get torn apart by war scythes, and the the dead lords would reanimate.

A big fat unit of plague bearers might be the answer. LD 10 and each time they fail a mindshackle test their attacks only have a 1/12 chance of dropping a friendly. Warscythes wound plague bearers on a 2+, but strike and I1 after the plague bearers. If it's a fat unit of plague bearers there probably won't be many lords standing at I1. If the lords are using power weapons they have to struggle against T5.



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the weasel king wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Do they all have war scythes as well?

Mss, scythe, and weaves. One per squad also had a res orb

If it's mass weaves then the only answer I see is mass bloodletters, or just shooting them. That also puts the squad alone up to what 375 points for 5 models?

Do plaguebearers have something that reduce models to I1? Waarscythes aren't powerfists, and I don't see anything that reduce them from initiative 2 to 1. Though if the 'bearers have I3, it doesn't really matter that much.

TwilightWalker wrote:Do plaguebearers have something that reduce models to I1? Waarscythes aren't powerfists, and I don't see anything that reduce them from initiative 2 to 1. Though if the 'bearers have I3, it doesn't really matter that much.

Plaguebearers are also I2 >.<

I still think seekers are your best bet to force a base to base and to protect some other big tough unit to get their hits in like some bloodcrusher blob. Plaguebearers I feel just won't put enough damage on the lords as they get full armor to do much. FNP though will help vs all the attacks by the warriors though you are still as likely to get cut down by the power weapons.

Boon of mutation would take the fight out of this unit as would Breath of Chaos. Heck, even some of the Slaneesh units would stomp a mudhole in this unit. It just depends on how your list is built. Tzeentch flamers would also be a good counter unit with their decent template attack.

schadenfreude wrote:

A big fat unit of plague bearers might be the answer. LD 10 and each time they fail a mindshackle test their attacks only have a 1/12 chance of dropping a friendly. Warscythes wound plague bearers on a 2+, but strike and I1 after the plague bearers. If it's a fat unit of plague bearers there probably won't be many lords standing at I1. If the lords are using power weapons they have to struggle against T5.


If it's mass weaves then the only answer I see is mass bloodletters, or just shooting them. That also puts the squad alone up to what 375 points for 5 models?

lords are S5 T5 so those plague bearers are gonna have trouble. With war sythes it gets worse. The best option is to shoot them. each model is going to cost 35+10+15+15 75 points for T5 and a 2+ save that gets back up on 4+. Not that good . Even with a phase shifter or two in there I would think they could be brought down.

PB ignore toughness, they all have poison 4+ weapons, so wounding is not a huge issue. The larger problem is being cut down by Warscythes.

Flamers would be good or be clever with your assaults. There are only 5 of them, if you lock in a few lesser Daemons with the models and block the path in , you can probably put a single crusher into one model and let the rest make their supporting attacks.

Another option is to just run away from them and kill the rest of the army. They aren't that mobile and you can DS anywhere you like.

The 2+ armor from weave would stop plague bearers and other deamon units that just do raw wounds. With deamons the unit is probably best assaulted first with pink horrors because of their weak CC attacks and 4+ invo, and then assaulted by a 2nd unit of bloodletters, deamonettes, fiends, or bloodcrushers. The bloodletters/blood crushers would probably be best. 1 of them will eat a mindshackle, but the other unit will eat the remaining mindshackles on a lower initiative if the mindshackles are still alive.

The unit is interesting because it's an anti CC unit CC deathstar. The Necron death star is the perfect tailored unit for a tailored list. The real problem I see with the necron deathstar is it's just won't work in an all comers list. Tau and IG would laugh at the very thought of a 375 point 5 wound 5 man CC unit on foot.

Yeah, the royal court deathstar is interesting, but the biggest issue is on the deamon side. With lots of small units, and low model count units, the daemons simply won't fight. Now, with a 20 man slaneesh unit of seekers the death star will fold quickly. 14 attacking models should rend out all 5 warriors, even if 6 do attack themselves.

DevianID wrote:... Now, with a 20 man slaneesh unit of seekers the death star will fold quickly. 14 attacking models should rend out all 5 warriors, even if 6 do attack themselves.

Then they stand back up.

"They weeble and they wooble, but they dont fall down."
My buddies call this "Whack-A-Cron"

Yeah, Yeah.... I know you can surround the markers to prevent them coming back. *Just so you know that I know.* lol

gregor_xenos wrote:

DevianID wrote:... Now, with a 20 man slaneesh unit of seekers the death star will fold quickly. 14 attacking models should rend out all 5 warriors, even if 6 do attack themselves.

Then they stand back up.

"They weeble and they wooble, but they dont fall down."
My buddies call this "Whack-A-Cron"

Yeah, Yeah.... I know you can surround the markers to prevent them coming back. *Just so you know that I know.* lol

Giant 60mm bases spam 4tw!

finally something useful for the giant blood crusher piles and deep striking 20 seekers somewhere. Glad I took some difficulties to get the pile there =P