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Hey guys.

Here's a thing that I'm unsure about.
Supa-gatler on stompa has range of 48" and a psycho-dakka-blasta rule (or something close to that). There's two bit unclear things...
1. Can the range be more than 48" for 2nd and subsequent targets?
2. Does it run out of ammo if there is no targets available even when the doubles has not been rolled?

Thanks in advance

it has to jump to a target in range. it can cycle between 2 targets, but if it cant jump to a new target within its range, it stops. this can happen after it kills a unit it was shooting at and so on.

Agree with Darth Spader.

Semi-disagree with Darth Spader.

It must target another unit within range of the rule, yes; range of the weapon, no.

If you target a unit 36" out, and then move to a second unit 48" out you can continue to move to a third target up to 60" out from your stompa, all while following the psycho-dakka blasta rules.

The rules state that after you have fired, you nominate a unit within 12" of the previous unit and fire at them. This is the range of the "bonus" shots.

OP: Unless their was no units within 12" of the first unit you shot to begin with, you can always swing back and forth between 2 units.

Wouldn't all shots targeted at a unit outside of 48" automatically miss?

Kommissar Kel wrote:Semi-disagree with Darth Spader.

It must target another unit within range of the rule, yes; range of the weapon, no.

If you target a unit 36" out, and then move to a second unit 48" out you can continue to move to a third target up to 60" out from your stompa, all while following the psycho-dakka blasta rules.

The rules state that after you have fired, you nominate a unit within 12" of the previous unit and fire at them. This is the range of the "bonus" shots.

OP: Unless their was no units within 12" of the first unit you shot to begin with, you can always swing back and forth between 2 units.

If what you were saying was true that would mean you would also be allowed to fire into close combat, out of line of sight, etc.

Its pretty clear that the rule simply allows you to 'target' another unit within 12" but that doesn't restrict any of the normal requirements for being able to target that unit (within range, LOS, not in combat, etc).

yakface wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:Semi-disagree with Darth Spader.

It must target another unit within range of the rule, yes; range of the weapon, no.

If you target a unit 36" out, and then move to a second unit 48" out you can continue to move to a third target up to 60" out from your stompa, all while following the psycho-dakka blasta rules.

The rules state that after you have fired, you nominate a unit within 12" of the previous unit and fire at them. This is the range of the "bonus" shots.

OP: Unless their was no units within 12" of the first unit you shot to begin with, you can always swing back and forth between 2 units.

If what you were saying was true that would mean you would also be allowed to fire into close combat, out of line of sight, etc.

Its pretty clear that the rule simply allows you to 'target' another unit within 12" but that doesn't restrict any of the normal requirements for being able to target that unit (within range, LOS, not in combat, etc).

That is a statement of over-exaggerating bunk and you know it Yak.

I never said that all the targeting restrictions were replaced by the rule; I said that the rule specifies a new range.

It is the Same for Necron's Tesla Arc.

You target an initial unit, you resolve your attack, an ancillary unit or units within a certain distance of the initial unit is then attacked.

I will post the rule for Psycho Dakka Blasta:
"Psycho-Dakka-Blasta:Once fired. the 'Supa-gatler continues to fire until all of its ammunition is expended - all the gunner can do is sweep it the enemy and hope that some of its many, many shots hit home. After firing the Supa-gatler you must nominate another enemy unit within 12" from the original target unit and fire again. You must then target another enemy unit within 12' {this may be the previous unit), The supa-gatler keeps firing as long as It has got ammunition left - if the number of shots rolled for the Second or subsequent burst is a double, the Supa-gatler has run out of ammunition and stops firing immediately and for the rest of the battle {do not resolve any shots against the final target). For purposes of the co-axial rule, the Deth kannon must be fired against the last unit that the Supa-gatler has fired at (and if the target suffered at least one hit from the Supa-gatler, the deth Kannon may re-roll its scatter dice)."

As you can see from the above the rule changes exactly 1 part of targeting; the range, it is not the range of the weapon that is used for the additional shots, the range is 12" from the original target.

Does the psycho dakka blasta rule essentially mean that you're firing it at units for as long as it takes to roll doubles? The rule mentions "the second or subsequent burst", but some might interpret that as only two units that can be fired on--after which it cannot fire another burst and is empty of ammo.

It keeps shooting until you roll a double. If have seen an entire BA army blown off the table by a single gatler.

Jidmah wrote:It keeps shooting until you roll a double. If have seen an entire BA army blown off the table by a single gatler.

And when there's no more targets in it's range, does it run out of ammo even when doubles have not been rolled?

It only get the "can not shoot for the rest of the game" if you roll a double. Makes no sense, but hey, ork technology!

My question on this is the timing. When firing the Supa Gattla, do you:
1. Roll to hit
2. Roll to wound
3. Roll the armor/cover saves
4. Select another unit within 12" and do it all over again?

Or do you Roll to Hit, keep track of the number of hits for that target, then select another target with 12" and roll to hit again, over and over until you roll doubles? So, do you roll all the hits until you run out, then roll all the wounds, or do you do one unit at a time all the way through and move on. If you do the first way, then it is possible to run out of valid targets before you roll doubles. But, if you just keep track of the hits, then roll all the wounds after you roll doubles, then it isn't an issue. I've always been unclear on that.

First one.

These Shots are sequential, not simultaneous(see the rule I quoted earlier; you nominate a secondary unit after firing)

I agree with kommisar kel as I use this rule alot because I have 3 stompas and the sweep is sequential

i would suppose that if you killed everything in range... ie 3 targets, killed every model in each unit without rolling doubles, you have nothing left to shoot at and would stop, allowing you to fire again next turn untill the doubles are rolled. simply because the rule states you run out of ammo on doubles...not lack of target.