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I'm deciding whether or not to include Prince Apophas in my army. It may come down to this. What happens when you cause terror to warmachines?

Aren't Warmachines imune to Psychology? or am i just making that up, no BRB atm.

I though war machines were just stubborn, don't think they are immune to psych although I've only played against them and not with them so may not be correct here

When a unit fails a panic test instead of fleeing the crew cower behind the hull and it skips it's next shooting phase.
Also only dwarven WM are stubborn by default.

Page 108

Characteristic tests

War machines automatically fail all characteristic tests, save for toughness and Leadership tests.

So warmachines do have to take a leadership test due to Terror or Fear....

Page 110

War machines and Panic

If a war machine fails a panic test (due to friends being destroyed within 6" and so on) it does not flee. The crew dive for cover underneath their machine and cannot shoot in their next shooting phase - this does not prevent the crew clearing jams or other misfire results.

So basically if a warmachine fails its leadership test due to Terror then it just can't shoot for a turn.

Close, but not quite right.

Warmachines are immune to terror.
If charged, warmachine must hold (as per warmachine rule).
If you cannot declare a charge reaction, you do not take a terror test (as per terror rule, 2nd paragraph).

Because the machines cannot choose to flee or stand and fire, they do not take terror.

Now, if a dwarf machine upgrades to an engineer with a handgun, that lets him stand and fire, then he becomes able to declare a reaction, and thus, must take terror test. If the dwarf fails the test, they cower beneath the machine, unable to fire on their next turn; which will only matter if the opponent fails his charge, or by some miracle, the dwarfs win combat.


-Matt

Nice attempt but terror clearly states that it causes the unit to take a panic test, and as you said WM take those.
Also having a compulsory charge reaction is not the same as not getting one.

IIRC, "Hold" is not actually a charge reaction. Only Stand And Shoot and Flee! are covered under that section.

Interestingly, I had conflated the building rules for Terror with War Machines. I've been playing (it would seem incorrectly) that war machines that fail their terror test auto-fail their fear check.

HoverBoy wrote:Nice attempt but terror clearly states that it causes the unit to take a panic test, and as you said WM take those.
Also having a compulsory charge reaction is not the same as not getting one.

The game has only two charge reactions. Flee, and Stand and Fire. Page 17, First Paragraph, third sentence.

Terror says; "Note that, if the target unit is not allowed to take any charge reaction (if, for example, the Terror-causing unit charged as a result of a pursuit or a random move), then the target does not take this test."

Those are both exact quotes of rules.
Warmachines cannot flee or stand and fire. As such, they do not take terror tests. The examples given are examples, as spelled out by GW. An example isn't an all inclusive list, it's just what it says, an example.


So, thanks for playing, but you were wrong.

-Matt

This is a weird one.

I'm going to say that nothing happens. Yes, they can take Panic tests and hide under their machines. But the result of a Terror test is a mandatory FLEE reaction. Which a war machine can't do (p.109 movement, they can only Hold). Those are at odds. And since Terror says units that can't take a charge reaction don't take this test...they don't.

Even if hold is considered a "charge reaction" they certainly can't flee, so it's moot. While they might satisfy the cower behind the war machine description, it wouldn't satisfy the Terror description. The only thing I see that does, is nothing happens. Though once in combat Fear kicks in.

I believe the FAQ says that if Warmachines fail a Panic check the crew hide underneath their machine and it won't be able to fire in its next turn.

Grey Templar wrote:I believe the FAQ says that if Warmachines fail a Panic check the crew hide underneath their machine and it won't be able to fire in its next turn.

That is true. But as per the terror rule, warmachines do not test for panic caused by terror, because they are not allowed a charge reaction.

-Matt