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Okay, I know orks, and have recently started occasionally fielding Space Marines. Why not BA? Mainly to prove to a friend that it's a valid Codex. Here goes:

100 - Librarian(null zone and vortex of doom)

210 - 5 x Sternguard, 2 combi-meltas. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun
210 - 5 x Sternguard, 2 combi-meltas. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun
210 - 5 x Sternguard, 2 combi-meltas. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun

165 - 5 x Tactical. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun
165 - 5 x Tactical. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun
165 - 5 x Tactical. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun
165 - 5 x Tactical. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun
165 - 5 x Tactical. DT: Razorback w/Lascannon and TL-Plasmagun

100 - 5 x Assault, without jump packs. DT: Rhino

115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator
115 - Vindicator

Originally, I was going for 9 razorbacks (6 Tac and 3 Sternguard) and 3 Vindi's, but came up short for an HQ

So, was going for a Tac in a Rhino.....then realized that I saved some points with an assault squad, AND threw some combi-meltas on the Sternguard. I figure the Libby can go in the Rhino, and that he can try for the vortex through one of the fire ports.

Well, fire away, so to speak!

this would be a great battle for my nids. thats all i can say

Well, I'll probably be facing them too


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So, a great battle in their favor, or just a great battle in general?

A battle strongly in favor of the nids. The 4 pie plates are great, but you will only really get to use them for a turn or two before you start having to worry about friendly fire. And with the tiny marine units, once they get into CC it's practically game over.

I think it could be a scary list for non-hoard armies though!

I can safely say this would shoot my Eldar to shreds.
I need to start beefing up my Eldar if I want to stand any chance against power armour and bolters.

So, what would make it stronger against hordes?

I normally play orks, and though mechanized and less infantry than a green tide/kan wall, I have the mobility which gives me the charge, so normally it's not a problem for me.

I was hoping that as long as I'm staying as mobile as possible, I can throw enough firepower out there to take hordes out piece by piece.

Should I swap a couple Plasmabacks for TL-Assault Cannons?




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Also, I thought MSU was preferable for Marines. 10 man units still don't seem to stand up for much, unlike SW and Chaos, who benefit from an extra attack(bolt pistol and CCW), especially SW with counterattack.

I think this is already a very strong list against horde. Against horde, do not leave your sternguards and tactical marines inside the razorbacks. Let your Razorback give the sternguards/tactical marines those cover saves.

Sternguards has Dragonfire bolts which ignore cover saves which will just kill hordes outright, no save. If they move up their MC, hellfire rounds will make sure you always wound them.

Have your armour vehicles surrounding some ruins while your sternguards and units are inside are going to just wreck all hordes. They have to get through those metal boxes before they can do anything. While they do that, they will be shredded to bits.

And I agree with you, the best run for Tactical squads are 5-man with a razorback lasPlas. 10-man is only when you need Lascannon.


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One small thing, since your librarian doesn't have terminator armour, vortex of doom might not be what you want. Something like Avenger is an all-around good power. Machine Curse is actually very good against AV14 as well.

Most of the time you will be popping Null Zone at 12" range. That means Vortex of Doom won't be used ever. Might as well get a single 24" Machine Curse to stop (or maybe even immobilize that Land Raider)

I considered that. I was several points shy to field all tacs with Plasmabacks, so I went Rhino and figured that if I have a problem with the Vortex, it gets centered on the rhino instead =)

I was hoping that might make up for potential mishaps. I can still disembark the squad to shoot, and have the libby stay inside the rhino using vortex until the rhino gets popped.

Just what I figured I'd try anyways.

You can always drop the assault marines in Rhino. They are not going to do much at 5-man and will be eaten alive even if they manage to charge out of a stationary Rhino.

If you are thinking of playing this in a tournament, I suggest buying those las-plas turrets pre-made instead of custom making them.

I didn't think that GW made las-plas turrets.


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Shoot, when I have money, I buy GW parts. When I don't, I scratch build.....preferably with GW parts. If I make a Rhino out of GW cardboard, I'll go toe to toe with someone saying that it needs to be GW, cause it is

What I meant is

http://puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=37

Of course you can scratch build but finding all those plasma bits will cost you that much in money anyway. This is especially true for your list.

Wow, cool stuff! I appreciate the link, gives me some ideas.

The only reason I took the assault squad again, was points. I could always throw the libby in with another squad, but he wouldn't be using any shooting attacks unless he disembarks. Any ideas, comments or critiques?

Your librarian won't be shooting anything with his 12" range. And the time that he is within that 12" range, Null Zone will come in very handy.

That squad with Rhino is about 100 pts, why not get 2 Multimelta attack bikes. That will put any high AV stuff out of business fast.

True, or for that matter, a landspeeder might be the way to go. HF/MM....MM/Typhoon ML, and a few more upgrades like combi-meltas.

Grr....I really wanted 9 Plasmabacks with 3 Vindis......just doesn't happen with expensive Marine HQ's.

Only thing I'd be worried about with this army is giving away easy KPs with the small squads...

The Plasbacks make up for no special weapons on the tac squads...

If I had the cash, I might try an army similar to this, seems like it could wreck some face. However, i'd probably take two assault bikes or a HF/MM speeder with some shields on the vindis? /shrug.

Exactly....thinking along the same lines.

I can do orks in tourneys, but all, well, 90% of my marines were from the Rogue Trader era and there are no vehicles! I only have a rhino and razorback, but I'm scratch building a bunch that should do reasonably well, and normally, the people I play with have no problems with it.

Btw, I am not sure if you have considered this but you can write this almost exact list as SW and it is way cheaper.

leohart wrote:Btw, I am not sure if you have considered this but you can write this almost exact list as SW and it is way cheaper.

I think part of it was trying to show his friend that Space Marine: Vanilla Ice can be competitive.

Exactly. I could also do it as BA and everything would be FAST. It's sad.....because it can basically be done better by other Codices.


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Mmmm, yes, SW could field it all cheaper, with Guard instead of Sternguard, BUT.....no special ammunition, from what I've seen.

Special ammunition is good if they are outside but your list is a bunch of bunkers after all.

Vanilla is tough to play.

I just recently switched from ultras to blood angels and paying 30 points more for the same vindicator does hurt. LOL

Yeah, but that 30 points more for the Vindi and 15 on any other rhino hull is made up for by being fast. I mean seriously, Lascannon and TL-Plasmaguns on a fast vehicle? Sick.

A buddy(who runs SW I might add) once said of Space Marines:

Easy to learn, difficult to master.

Their monsters do not stand a chance.
Otherwise 'nids can not open that many tanks. Sorry, anyone saying 'nids favour can you explain what antitank you are taking.
12 tanks are hard, especially as 'nids to get close to kill them, compared to the 'backs that can shoot loads close but can still take shots at range.
It would be awesome to have fast 'backs just to give 'nids 6+ to hit you whilst still being able to fire.

You can always throw in a heavy flamers razorback for that extra kick.