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I am running a nilla marines list with a libby with an assault squad against nids, what powers should I take.

What space marines are you running?

Nilla marines sorry

I'm going to keep the assault squad because I needed to fill the points limit with what I had.

Quickening is always good. If they run big bugs, might of the ancients make a nice pairing with the force weapon. Good luck!

Bring the Avenger and Might of the Ancients. Avenger kills hordes and might will allow the killing of TMC's in CC

Null zone!!!

Null zone is awesome against the Zoans, Dooms and the HQs. Avenger is optional but works well against the swarmy parts of the nids.

As mentioned above Might of the Ancients works well combined with the force weapon against MCs, however, I would slap a storm shield on your libby 'cause if the force weapon fails you can be certain that the MC will chew the libby up and then pick its teeth with said force-weapon

That said, I don't have the codex on me but I vaguely remember that the storm shield is only an option if you have termy armour too... so double-chek to be sure.

I have to disagree with Null Zone. Zoans a T4 with a 3+ save, they die easily to bolter fire and CC.

the only invulnerable on a TMC is the swarmlords 4+ invun in close combat only. good luck woundng him in CC without might. Null zone would be pointless vs the swarmy since you're still wounding on 6's!

DiRTWaL wrote:I am running a nilla marines list with a libby with an assault squad against nigs, what powers should I take.

wat

DiRTWaL wrote:I am running a nilla marines list with a libby with an assault squad against nigs, what powers should I take.

You're going to want to go ahead and edit that...

ya i know but its what I got

http://www.nigs.upd.edu.ph/ Clearly he's fighting the National Institute of Geological Sciences.

GOT IT!

I still think Null Zone is important against nids. I don't know what this specific army will have but the zoans typically pod out of range of bolter fire and assault, and you wanna shoot them with MLs, LCs or MMs to instakill them which means that there aren't gonna be that many shots, a 3++ is as good as it gets so it's nice to force a re-roll, same goes for the doom although the doom will be podded in a crowded area.

Just my 2 cents. It has helped me a lot.

phoenix darkus wrote:I still think Null Zone is important against nids. I don't know what this specific army will have but the zoans typically pod out of range of bolter fire and assault

If they're podding out of range of bolter fire, they aren't shooting Warp Lance or Warp Blast so who cares.

Null Zoning Doom would be interesting, but again - not sure it's worth it. Charge him with a PF squad and ID him in CC.

Since you aren't tailoring for nids <cough> you will want to run avenger and null zone, and just suck it up and realize that null zone isn't going to be impressive in this battle.

Basically the librarian will accomplish less then usual in a nid game. Might + force weapon doesn't work because you'd have to spring for the epistolary upgrade which is a total waste, and still probably wouldn't work because you are still A3-4 and I4. 4 attacks. 4+ to hit, 4+ to wound, and a 50% chance to pass that psychic test under shadows. that's a 50/50 chance to kill a tyrant with your 175 point librarian if you even get to swing.

Of course, the larger issue is the assault squad. If you are list tailoring, they should be benched.

Force weapon and hood are mostly what you have him for. Take whatever powers, it is a little dangerous with perils, though I think the FAQ means you are save in a rhino.

MFletch wrote:though I think the FAQ means you are save in a rhino.

Nope - the FAQ now means that SitW reaches inside a Rhino.
The old FAQ meant that you were safe inside a Rhino.

Carnage43 wrote:Since you aren't tailoring for nids <cough> you will want to run avenger and null zone, and just suck it up and realize that null zone isn't going to be impressive in this battle.

Basically the librarian will accomplish less then usual in a nid game. Might + force weapon doesn't work because you'd have to spring for the epistolary upgrade which is a total waste, and still probably wouldn't work because you are still A3-4 and I4. 4 attacks. 4+ to hit, 4+ to wound, and a 50% chance to pass that psychic test under shadows. that's a 50/50 chance to kill a tyrant with your 175 point librarian if you even get to swing.

Of course, the larger issue is the assault squad. If you are list tailoring, they should be benched.

Doesn't sound to me like he's tailoring to a specific list, just the army.

I'd go for Might of the Ancients and either The Avenger, The Quickening or (maybe) Vortex of Doom.

MFletch wrote:Force weapon and hood are mostly what you have him for. Take whatever powers, it is a little dangerous with perils....

I'll second this. Hood and Force weapon. Definitely no epistolary upgrade.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Doesn't sound to me like he's tailoring to a specific list, just the army.

I'd go for Might of the Ancients and either The Avenger, The Quickening or (maybe) Vortex of Doom.

Its the same thing. Especially with an army that doesn't exactly have many different unit types. Hey, tons of infantry, better load up on template! Oh, a few MCs, better make my guy able to CC one...

The default take all comers libby has avenger and nullzone. Avenger kills most infantry units, and nullzone is useful in too many situations. Having a hard counter vs some of the most dangerous or annoying units is too hard to pass up.

I like my ba lib on a bike with a bike squad, with attached multi melta attack bike. Give the lib blood spear and shield of sang. Now you have a fast anti mc / tank unit that either saves from moving flat out or with 5+

its for nilla marines not BA

Dirtwall, it is possible to play ba as vanilla