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well a local tournament has been canceled for the moment because the guy orginizing it has backed out. the event people (this is a large yearly event, that features tons of board/card/minitures games) are looking for a replacment to run the 40k tourney. the question i pose:

if no one else stepped up to run the thing, and you were hoping to play in it, would you step up and run the tourney - if it meant you could play, but not win (as winning the thing in the TO role would be morally wrong?) the alternitive is the tourney remains canceled, and no one gets to play. so what would you do?

I would run it.

I have ran events in the past and it was a good time. I did not participate in the event, and I do not think I would, because if my opponent had a rules issue I could not be viewed as judging that in a fair manner, even though I would try my best to be unbiased.

All the knowledge of games, people and tournaments I've played now being given a vehicle with which i can dispense great justice!?!?!






I'm in.

I'd say step up, bring your army and if you need a bye, play the game against them but still treat it as such, so that players with the game off don't have to stand around whilst everyone else is playing, and you may still get a game yourself?

I wouldn't even think twice. I would step up and run it. I would not play because running something that big requires all your attention.

Yeah, I would. Especially if it would mean that otherwise there IS no tournament. And I would VERY much stay out of the tournament as playing a game makes it hard to judge things as you have to interrupt the game a lot to make calls, which can slow down the whole tournament.

Definately go for it. We do this all the time ourselves when ours get interupted.

My only reason for not immediately jumping at the chance to run, is that last year I played in the final vrs a daemons player who is TFG to the max. ( dosent paint his own models, buys them online, brags about how nicely painted they are, critiques others paint jobs, makes Waac lists, whines about others who do the same, and disputes everything. Plus dosent even know his rules, and when called on it gets really belegerant) in any case, he beat me because he whined about objectives. There was 5 on table, I controlled 2, he controlled 2 and we both contested the last. He had a unit of blood letters on it, and I had a ravager. (minus it's guns). His argument was "damaged vehicles can't contest so I win" and he was loud and obnoxious enough the TO sided with him just to shut him up.

In any case, I would love to show up and thoroughly trounce him, and feed him his cummuffins so to speak. Can't do it if I'm running the thing.... Although I suppose I could just bar him from even playing...

Similar thing happened to my club's annual 40k tourney (gets 30-40 players).
None of the club members were available to run it.
(The one who did it for the previous two years is ill and not up to it. It clashes with my wife's birthday, so that ruled me out, and one other who could have done it, had his previous effort taken off him and given to someone else (an out-of-towner non-club member) to run so felt burned by this and left). The other club members haven't been playing the game long enough and don't feel confident in running it.
So we had an out-of-towner volunteer to step up and run it rather than see it fall by the wayside.

I'm hoping it works this year. I'd rather it just died (it's had 12 years - which is a long time for a single game club tournament).

From next year, provided I can get a date change, I will be running this event. If we can't get the date changed, it will be dead and buried as no-one in the club will be left who still plays 40k (we've mostly switched to Infinity).
(The previous club president - now retired - mandated that it *MUST* be on such and such a date so it didn't clash with a major out of town event. Even though we had players come to ours instead of that event when they did clash.). This date meant it would forever clash with my wife's birthday which ruled out my taking any part in it whatsoever.

Go for it. I have to run hard boys this year which is unfortunate because of all the local guys to show up, I'm pretty sure I would take 2nd otherwise. So I must give up a good chance at free stuff so everybody else can play.

DarthSpader wrote:My only reason for not immediately jumping at the chance to run, is that last year I played in the final vrs a daemons player who is TFG to the max. ( dosent paint his own models, buys them online, brags about how nicely painted they are, critiques others paint jobs, makes Waac lists, whines about others who do the same, and disputes everything. Plus dosent even know his rules, and when called on it gets really belegerant) in any case, he beat me because he whined about objectives. There was 5 on table, I controlled 2, he controlled 2 and we both contested the last. He had a unit of blood letters on it, and I had a ravager. (minus it's guns). His argument was "damaged vehicles can't contest so I win" and he was loud and obnoxious enough the TO sided with him just to shut him up.

In any case, I would love to show up and thoroughly trounce him, and feed him his cummuffins so to speak. Can't do it if I'm running the thing.... Although I suppose I could just bar him from even playing...

I bolded two parts you should really think about.

WHY would you give up the opportunity to pull the ULTIMATE WIN on him by letting him (and people like him) play, and not being TFTO, by completely denying them their crybaby antics with a giant cheshire cat grin, enforcing fun and spirit of the rules when in doubt?

well - i have not decided to run it yet, although i have agreed to help look for a replacment, and although i havent mentioned it i will probally take over if no replacment can be found.

so - if i end up running the thing, wich i have never really done before, what format is best? i would like something unique, and not just 3 standard missions most wins is the winner... obviously the player who wins the most games does.. but i want something unique across the whole thing, that makes it a challenge, but not a handicap. something outside the box, but fair. some ideas:

- every game is zone mortalis/cityfight etc
- attrition: each player has 2000pt armies, with 750 pt "reserve" force (of limited FOC) any models that die - stay dead. damaged vehicles stay damaged. you can earn "powerups" during the game for achieving certain objectives or feats.those powerups can replenish units repair etc. final game is last model standing wins.
- add an "assination" aspect. extra points (wich go towards determining tourney winner) awarded for killing enemy HQ.
- each mission has random secret objectives revealed at games end. achieving the objective nets 1 extra point towards winning the tourney.
- any mix of some or all of these.

to be honest i like the idea of a zone mortalis/assination/attrition campaign. places people outside the comfort zone, rewards caution and tatics, and punishes suicide units and the sloppy or careless.

1. I would volunteer to run, but not play. As others have said running an event will require ALL your attention, not to mention it'd suck for your opponent when your games get constantly interrupted by you having to make calls.

2. What Opperssor said. Think of it this way, if you play and beat the TFG that's 1 game where justice will be served (if you even get matched up against him). If you run the event, you can make sure ALL his games are played fairly and by the rules.

or i could just quote him and say "sorry. your banned from all my events"

lol.

These are just my thoughts, they are not to be taken to heart or personally.

DarthSpader wrote:
- every game is zone mortalis/cityfight etc

I don't know what mortalis means, but cityfight is awesome.

- attrition: each player has 2000pt armies, with 750 pt "reserve" force (of limited FOC) any models that die - stay dead. damaged vehicles stay damaged. you can earn "powerups" during the game for achieving certain objectives or feats.those powerups can replenish units repair etc. final game is last model standing wins.

No to the 750pt reserves, there are already reserve mechanics in place and should remain a tactical decision by taking away from total force available. Powerups will be difficult, objectives should only have powerups for troops IMO (like granting stubborn in addition to any other troop unit rules for example). But the main problem will be book keeping and time involved because of them. As for units staying dead, this only really makes sense if you are doing a campaign, versus the same opponent(s).

- add an "assination" aspect. extra points (wich go towards determining tourney winner) awarded for killing enemy HQ.

Great idea, but can just as easily promote suicide units, something you're looking to avoid or discourage.

- each mission has random secret objectives revealed at games end. achieving the objective nets 1 extra point towards winning the tourney.

I really don't like this. This game is already dice based, tacking away tactical decisions, or rewarding a lack of them by randomly granting extra secret points will be counterproductive and could even backfire horribly with claims of favortism.

- any mix of some or all of these.

Honestly, it all sounds more like a campaign than a tournament. Don't get me wrong, campaigns are awesome, and the desire to do something different is admirable, but tournaments are different beasts, restricted by time, and multiple opponents (for examples).

I think simply being a just and fair TO is the best possible way to differentiate yourself.



The one thing I would suggest, that I have wanted to see GW fix for forever now, is to make only troops allowed to control or even constest objectives. As in, if I have a troops unit on an objective, and my opponent has a heavy support unit on the same objective, he cannot contest the objective. If i have a troops unit on an objective, and my opponent has a troops unit on the same objective, the objective is contested. If i have a troops unit on an objective, and my opponent has two troops units on the same objective, he controls the objective.

A troops unit can only count as scoring on an objective if it is not falling back.
A troops unit can only count as scoring on an objective if it is not embarked in a vehicle.
A troops unit can only count as scoring on an objective if it doesn't have an AV value.

The only time multiple troops units from the same army on the same objective can count as scoring is when there's at least as many opposing troops units on the same objective.





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As for powerups, goin off of they should only benefit troops on objectives:

Troops on an objective get overwatch?
Troops on an objective get stubborn?
Troops on an objective always count as being in cover when being assaulted?

DarthSpader wrote:or i could just quote him and say "sorry. your banned from all my events"

lol.

I would not ban him, Just make sure he plays by the rules.

He plays daemons, so I doubt he will do well anyway, since there are likely to be a few Gk players.

Brush up on your rules, and make sure you make the right calls, and stick to your final rulings.

If he will not let it be, say "That is my final ruling, please proceed with your game." and then walk away.

i played in a game that ran the attrition thing. it was great fun, since your opponent recorded your losses and vice versa, (on roster cards - 1 card for each of your units) after the game a TO went to each table and noted down on a second set of roster cards each armies damage, before the game packed up and players moved on. this ensured acurate records, and no cheating. each table took about 3-4 minutes a player to note the damage etc, so not too much in the way of time consumption, since while players pack up and move tables there is time being "Wasted" plus not all games finished at exactly the same time. so usually there is not a 'mad rush' to do the book keeping. power-ups are used at this point in the game as well. the powerups either replenish up to 5 models to a single unit, or repair up to 2 damage results on a vehicle.

the assination thing i also played in as a player and found that secret assassination targets made for a tricky game. you either gambled with the suicide unit to get it, or relyed on other methods. if combined in the attrition method, yea sacking a unit for an assassination point seems nice.... but that unit is now gone, and unavailable for the next match. so its a question of value and foresight.

i do like the idea that only troops can contest or control. although i think it should remain the normal rules, except that only troops can actually score/contest. falling back cant, and embarked cant is also a decent idea - since it stops that annoying "last turn transport flat out onto an objective trick"


edit:

just thought of this: as an orginizer would it be proper to provide the full tournament rule set, such as any of the above special conditions on the website prior to the event, or "surprise" the entrants with some or all of the detials?

since the objective is to be outside the box, yet fair and fun, im leaning towards revealing the special rules and points limits, but NOT the scenarios.

as an orginizer you should provide the full tournament rule set, such as any of the above special conditions on the website prior to the event.

surprising the entrants with some or all of the details, would not go over well with me, not sure about others, but I would not be happy to have details "Sprung" on me at the last minute.

The exact details of the scenarios do not need to be shared, I have played in a few tournaments where they were distributed the day of, and they were fine. Of Course they did not have any super goofy rules, they were just normal scenarios with a primary, secondary, and tertiary objective.

I'd run it, but I can understand getting sick of always sacrificing your enjoyment for other people if it's something that happens frequently.

He played daemons last year. Before that, bugs, and wolves. He tends to play whatever he thinks is the ultimate build. This year I'm expecting GK from him.

Step up!

actually managed to locate someone willing to run. sweet. so now i get to play and kick "captain mustachio" a few cummuffins.

What's a cummuffin?

Do you perhaps mean to give him his "comeuppance" ?
n.
A punishment or retribution that one deserves; one's just deserts:


Unless you plan on spooging in a balled up tissue and giving it to him (eeeewww).

Yea whatever. In a war gamer not a dictionary. Lol. Plus iPhones autocorrect rocks. - obviously.