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Dorn
Guilliman
Malcador
Valdor
Horus
Sanguinus

Are there any other people that the Emperor seems to have really truly trusted? Everyone else he seems to have been secretive and a little cautious with

The Emperor did not trust anyone not even those you have listed.....well maybe malcador

Which ones had battle royale collars on?
That might help narrow it down...

Not telling someone something they can't handle isn't a lack of trust... but giving them total rule of your home and THE planet Earth speaks volumes (Dorn).

Letting someone carve a 500+ planet private Kingdom and giving them x2 the troops of all their brothers seems pretty exceptional... and using them to fix broken primarchs to remarkable (Guilliman).

Valdor, I can't think of any marks against trust there

Horus, same as Dorn, just insert Great Crusade for planet

Sanguinus I can't back up, just more of a feeling, I maybe would add Russ to the mix too.

For everyone else he really seems to have thought that the other primarchs and the terran elements of the Legions would be needed to keep checks and balances.

Nah, he trusted Horus. He gave Horus control over his army and taught him about the warp, something he didn't teach the other Primarchs.

Id say he definitely trusted Horus.

Malcador is a given, I think he may have trusted him over all others.

Dorn, fanatically loyal. I definitely think he trusted him otherwise he wouldnt have made him and his legion his praetorians.

Guilliman, I can see the reasoning behind it.

I agree with the Russ thing. There's a reason his legion was equipped with weapons capable of tearing the other legions apart. He would not have entrusted said weaponry to just anyone.

Thatguy91 wrote:Id say he definitely trusted Horus.

Malcador is a given, I think he may have trusted him over all others.

Dorn, fanatically loyal. I definitely think he trusted him otherwise he wouldnt have made him and his legion his praetorians.

Guilliman, I can see the reasoning behind it.

I agree with the Russ thing. There's a reason his legion was equipped with weapons capable of tearing the other legions apart. He would not have entrusted said weaponry to just anyone.

What did they have that 'tears other legions apart'? They had the Sisters of Silence and kill teams of Custodes with them when they re-educated Prospro.

I think the only person he really trusted was himself. He let others know bits and pieces just enough to keep them loyal and make them feel like they are apart of the Great Crusade.

Malcador, I think personally IMHO,YMMV etc was the real emperor, unless he used his powers to brain wash everyone in the world for 30,000 years that he was a normal looking guy not a huge super warrior. I can see the Emperor body be created by Malcador (who is the Emperor) using DAoT, awsome emporer powers like the Primarchs where. Then his soul/essence transfered over to that body but left a shard of himself in Malcador, that would be the reason he is the second most powerful psyker on Terra. The malcador vessel would have no to little memory of being him he would just know that he has to serve the Emperor.

That is what works for me. As I said YMMV, IMHO etc etc.

IIRC it has come up several times that the space wolves have more power weapons and other weapons capable of tearing through power armor in their armory than any other legion. Giving them an obvious advantage when fighting other astartes.

There is a reason for them being nicknamed the Emperors Executioners.

Apparently the wrong bloke.

He trusted and loved Horus (as a son), which caused almost fatal delays during the Heresy. A few Primarchs and Malcador aside, there wasn't really anyone else.

I would say Horus for sure. Malcador and Dorn obviously. But after that I would say Constantin Valdor and Russ only. He seemed reluctant to help Corax fully and obviously didn't trust Magnus.

I think that deep down the Emperor knew all his "children" well. Dorn and Guilliman were so loyal that he never had to worry. I think that Lorgar fits this description too until the Emperor realized he couldn't have a religiously fanatical legion running around. He never seems to fully trust the Lion, Magnus, Curze, Angron (Angron would have killed big E if he could have when they first met), Alpharius and Omegon are by nature secretive and the Emperor, while a kindred spirit in that right, probably wouldn't trust those whose secrecy rivaled his own.

In short. No one entirely. There were a few he trusted more than others but full trust was never to be had by anyone.

what about the angel?

flota wrote:what about the angel?

I don't know enough about Sanguinius to state anything certain. My first thought would be that the Emperor trusted him as much as he trusted the other "mutated" Primarchs like Ferrus Manus, and Angron. The wings are from Sang being touched by Chaos and I doubt the Emperor would trust anyone wholly that had been touched by Chaos. He certainly didn't trust him as much as Horus, at least not until after the Heresy, it would appear the Emperor trusted Sang an awful lot near the end.

I of course would submit Russ as being one of the most trusted. Being tasked to take Prospero as well as supposedly one of the missing Legions speaks volumes as to what the Emperor expected of them when he had to have some dirty work done.

I do not think he truly trusted anyone. No one knew what he was working on, he kept everyone more or less in the dark and just assumed they would obey him.

The whole heresy came about because he kept even his most beloved "sons" in the dark and just told them to "Do as I say"

I'd say he trusted Corax as well, after all, he gave him the gene-tech and DNA used to make the Primarchs and Astartes.

I agree that he trusted Corax, or at least trusted him after he had his legion shot out from under him for his loyalty.

The theory that Malcador is really the emporer, or some aspect of him, is interesting! It makes a certain sort of sense.

Dorn, more than likely. If anyone was designed to be trustworthy, it would be I-cannot-tell-a-lie-even-for-the-sake-of-tact Dorn.

Castiel wrote:I'd say he trusted Corax as well, after all, he gave him the gene-tech and DNA used to make the Primarchs and Astartes.

Sure he trusted Corax with the equipment but didn't trust him enough to tell him how exactly it was to be done nor enough to allow him passage from earth without a nice escort of Custodes to keep an eye on him.

The Emperor knew the whole time roughly what was going to happen, he was the greatest human Psyker in existence.

In the end was immortalized as a god Just as he planned. (no Tzeentch relation)

So he trusted him and himself.

physcosamatic wrote:The Emperor knew the whole time roughly what was going to happen, he was the greatest human Psyker in existence.

Actually, the Emperor's foresight was obscured by the Ruinous Powers. He did not know what was going to happen.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

physcosamatic wrote:The Emperor knew the whole time roughly what was going to happen, he was the greatest human Psyker in existence.

Actually, the Emperor's foresight was obscured by the Ruinous Powers. He did not know what was going to happen.

Even when other people warned him which kinda shows a lack of trust of those warning him (though given one was Eldrad not trusting him is probably understandable). I'm not sure he really trusted any of them really since he clearly didn't trust any of the primarchs to warn them about chaos beforehand and the fact he let Dorn design the defences for the Imperial Palace probably has more to do with Dorn's unquestioning and completely blind loyalty rather than actually trusting him.

coinbiter wrote:
Even when other people warned him which kinda shows a lack of trust of those warning him (though given one was Eldrad not trusting him is probably understandable). I'm not sure he really trusted any of them really since he clearly didn't trust any of the primarchs to warn them about chaos beforehand and the fact he let Dorn design the defences for the Imperial Palace probably has more to do with Dorn's unquestioning and completely blind loyalty rather than actually trusting him.

It doesn't necessarily show a lack of trust in those doing the warning, but an excess of trust in Horus. Why would the Emperor believe Magnus that Horus was a traitor when it would have been too far-fetched that it was Magnus who had been duped (as he was, but in a different way) by the Ruinous Powers rather than Horus? Once the evidence mounted (i.e. the Garro made it to Terra) He decided that it was the truth, didn't, He? He didn't want to tell the Primarchs about Chaos because He was trying to defeat Chaos by spreading the Imperial Truth. You could argue that He showed trust in them a different way because He felt that they didn't have to know explicitly what it was, but that they would instead resist anyone telling them to go kill their creator. Still trust, but of a different sort.

Hunterindarkness wrote:I do not think he truly trusted anyone. No one knew what he was working on, he kept everyone more or less in the dark and just assumed they would obey him.

The whole heresy came about because he kept even his most beloved "sons" in the dark and just told them to "Do as I say"

You forgot "not as I do"

Why don't you ask him yourself?

Awww... He got killed =[


Horus for President!

@somerandomevilguy.
Didnt the emperor already know horus had betrayed him when magnus told him? Thats what i remember from that scene in "Thousand Sons

Garro. The Emperor wouldn't have had him found the Inquisition if he hadn't trusted the man, at least in part.

Milisim wrote:Why don't you ask him yourself?

Awww... He got killed =[


Horus for President!

AnomanderRake wrote:Garro. The Emperor wouldn't have had him found the Inquisition if he hadn't trusted the man, at least in part.

Garro is sent out by Malcador. Malcador founds the inquisition, Garro is recruiting the beginnings of the Grey Knights not the Inquisition as a whole.

He trusted Fulgrim enough to let him use the Emperor's own symbol for his legion.

Durza wrote:He trusted Fulgrim enough to let him use the Emperor's own symbol for his legion.

That's less trust and more of a reward. You can reward someone without trusting them. A symbol is just a symbol, had he trusted him with say, the knowledge of the true nature of chaos, then you'd be on to something.

Martymunster wrote:@somerandomevilguy.
Didnt the emperor already know horus had betrayed him when magnus told him? Thats what i remember from that scene in "Thousand Sons

If I recall correctly, that occurs in 'The Outcast Dead', which retcons what has gone before, and until I get further confirmation that they're making that change, I want to believe that it was a mistake rather than being unintentional.

Even if the Emperor did already know, Magnus had just caused serious damage and was even then a pawn of Tzeentch. I'm also not sure who else coinbiter would have been referring to.