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As it says gents thoughts on this monster

As for myself, I'm swinging towards the idea that it maybe a cheeky hint towards confirming Chaos updates.

link http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CHAOS_DECIMATOR_DAEMON_ENGINE.html

One of those FW models that makes me go all tingly, LOVE IT!

Would make a great defiler. Its about the size the thing should be, unlike the giant crab monster we are forced to field.

I wouldn't take it as much of a hint towards new Chaos stuff from GW. Forgeworld stuff rarely syncs up with the GW update cycle. However, I love that daemonic midget knight titan. The gun's called a butcher cannon for chrissakes.

He's pretty cool, probably won't get one though. Too big to use as a Dread, and I don't get to play APOC these days...

shakey787 wrote:As it says gents thoughts on this monster

As for myself, I'm swinging towards the idea that it maybe a cheeky hint towards confirming Chaos updates.

The only hint I'd take away from this model towards a Chaos update is that it's a vehicle you can "Dedicate" to a chaos power/god/whatever you want to call them.

I would, however, take this as a model that's going to be represented in IA12:The Morros Incident. It's said to contain Tzeentch forces. I'm betting this will be in that book. I bet 1 internetz peso.

It seems as if it's a Daemonic Replacement for the Contemptor in the ranks of Chaos.

Chaos forces still have access to the Contemptor but they are declining in number. From the description given I can imagine whenever the next IA book is out you'll have some kind of Decimator/Contemptor formation. 2 Decimators for every Contemptor kind of idea.

Currently I'd love to use some in a Daemon list with a couple of Soul Grinders.

It's rules could use a bit of a re-think though. Mostly just the AV.
I'd like to see that Unholy Vigour rule applied to all Daemon Engines.

The thing looks like it's 50% pauldrons

It looks like a warjack. Seriously, I think this is privateer press playing a prank on us. Dislike

The model looks awesome. The rules, however, fail to impress.

Seriously, it's slower than all other dreads at I3. That alone limits its usefulness. It's got less armour than other dreads, at least where it counts (+1 rear for -1 side). Less armour? Did you see the size of it? It should be at least 13/13, it's much bigger than an ironclad.

And then there's the funky resurrection. 5++ to ignore weapon destroyed/immobilized, and 6+ to come back to life later, if it didn't explode.

This seems unnecessarily complicated to me. They couldn't have given it a 5++ and been done with it? It's already ignoring shaken/stunned.

For the points, I'd rather have just about any other dreadnought. But it's an awesome looking model, and I'll probably pick one up to paint it.

AngryMarine wrote:It looks like a warjack. Seriously, I think this is privateer press playing a prank on us. Dislike

No it doesn't.
It actually looks cool and somewhat in proportion for one thing.


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Redbeard wrote:The model looks awesome. The rules, however, fail to impress.

Seriously, it's slower than all other dreads at I3. That alone limits its usefulness. It's got less armour than other dreads, at least where it counts (+1 rear for -1 side). Less armour? Did you see the size of it? It should be at least 13/13, it's much bigger than an ironclad.

And then there's the funky resurrection. 5++ to ignore weapon destroyed/immobilized, and 6+ to come back to life later, if it didn't explode.

This seems unnecessarily complicated to me. They couldn't have given it a 5++ and been done with it? It's already ignoring shaken/stunned.

For the points, I'd rather have just about any other dreadnought. But it's an awesome looking model, and I'll probably pick one up to paint it.

It also ignores shaken and stunned, comes with 4 attacks, and it gets a nasty melee weapon for free. I would say that is good compensation for I3

Luke_Prowler wrote:The thing looks like it's 50% pauldrons

Just as planned.

I think it’s good that Chaos is getting stuff from FW again. For a good while now, FW has mostly been pushing out IoM models and rules (aside from the Chaos add-on rules for the Contemptor).

The part I like about the vehicle the most are the weapons. It’s good to see unique, well thought out weapons for Chaos for once. The rules also give the decimator a lot of niche uses

I’ll have to agree though that Unholy Vigour+Daemonic Possession make the rules a little weird IMO, especially if one purchases MoN or MoT. The size of the model is a little big as well (should have been dreadnaught or contemptor sized IMO).

Wow. I don't even know what else to say...just wow. It's gorgeous!!

It's a cross faction Cryx/Khador jack. Sorscha's new bff.

Not sure how usefull this is to the Chaos Marines but for Chaos Daemons that fire power is attractive. Kind of worried though it has no deep strike rules for Chaos Daemon so does it set up all alone?

I have to agree about the usefulness of the model with Chaos Daemons. The Daemons codex is fairly “barebones” and the advent of the “toyshop” style 5E codices has put them on the backfoot.

A couple of ranged spec Decimators providing cover fire could provide a daemons list a much needed boost.

Ok, I think it's time to start slowly building up a Dark Mechanicum Legio Cybernetica force for apoc games. I would love to field such an army......

As far the model is concerned it's gorgeous. The Khorne Blood Slaughterer I thought was stupid looking. The brass scorpion was pretty bad ass, although, the one they painted wasn't brass at all, and was far too clean and shiny for something dedicated to Khorne (why aren't there any demon engines for the other gods?). The siege claw is a little underwhelming. Looks too delicate. Everything else about the model is big and brutal looking. Lots and lots of room for conversion. The "Gladiator" face is kinda silly. But I feel like CSM and CD have been in need of something like this for a while.

If anyone read the Word Beares books by Anthony Reynolds, this would be a PERFECT model for The Warmonger. Probably my favorite character out of that whole series. He's bad ass with a little bit of comic relief that isn't tacky or out of place.

The model is just an overgrown dreadnought. Doesn't do anything for me. The butcher cannon, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of weapon we Chaos players need. I'm sick of trying to bust transports with crappy reaper autocannons while Grey Knights go to town with their psycannons. It's ridiculously unfair. Butcher cannons to the rescue! I want this gun on every single tank I buy in 6th ed.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:It also ignores shaken and stunned, comes with 4 attacks, and it gets a nasty melee weapon for free. I would say that is good compensation for I3

So does a soul grinder, which costs fewer points and has better AV. For that matter, so can a defiler. A chaos dreadnought can have 4 attacks for 100 points, and has I4.

The thing about walkers is if they don't have I4, they cannot fight other walkers that do. An I4 walker will swing first, almost always scoring a 'pen' due to their S10.

For the size of the model, I would have hoped it was a little tougher. Side armour 11 is a big vulnerability.

Redbeard wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:It also ignores shaken and stunned, comes with 4 attacks, and it gets a nasty melee weapon for free. I would say that is good compensation for I3

So does a soul grinder, which costs fewer points and has better AV. For that matter, so can a defiler. A chaos dreadnought can have 4 attacks for 100 points, and has I4.

The thing about walkers is if they don't have I4, they cannot fight other walkers that do. An I4 walker will swing first, almost always scoring a 'pen' due to their S10.

For the size of the model, I would have hoped it was a little tougher. Side armour 11 is a big vulnerability.

And unlike the soul grinder and chaos dread, it has a chance of undoing a wrecked result. Unless it explodes or gets 1, it's always going to be a potential threat.

Sure, but an unlikely one. It's not like it's coming back on a 4+ like Celestine or Thawn.

Again, I think it's a needlessly complex rule that adds very little, doesn't address the main issues with its rules (low I and AV 11 sides) and it would be better off with a straight-up 5++ save.

Why are you so obsessed with Initiative? What can hurt this thing that there's a practical difference between 3 and 4?

Also, you seem to be discounting that Dedication to Nurgle is so amazingly good as to be mandatory.

DarknessEternal wrote:Why are you so obsessed with Initiative? What can hurt this thing that there's a practical difference between 3 and 4?

Another dreadnought, with strength 10 DCCW, only needs a 3 to hit and a 3 to penetrate. If it gets a vehicle explodes, Good Bye decimator. Do not pass go, do not roll unholy vigor, do not collect $200.

However, I like this model and will be using it in my 2013 Chaos Army...

kronk wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Why are you so obsessed with Initiative? What can hurt this thing that there's a practical difference between 3 and 4?

Another dreadnought, with strength 10 DCCW, only needs a 3 to hit and a 3 to penetrate. If it gets a vehicle explodes, Good Bye decimator. Do not pass go, do not roll unholy vigor, do not collect $200.

However, I like this model and will be using it in my 2013 Chaos Army...

Same. As soon as I get my current projects done and get some money, I am so picking up a chaos army.

Besides, the I4 only matters in CC. As long as the decimator doesn't go near any I4 dreads with DCCW, he should be fine. On the other hand, blendernaughts, ork dreads, triarch stalkers, war walkers, sentinels, psylemen and riflemen are fair game

I've seen more than a hundred games played since the last dreadnought with DCCW made it into assault with anything.

Well, for starters, you were the one asking what could hurt it on I4, so I answered you.

My most recent game had no less than 5 different dreadnoughts engaged in close combat. A few of them in multiple assaults during that game.

Of course, it was an Apoc game, but then, that's when I'm most likely to be using this model.

Beyond that, the only other thing this dreadnought should fear in close combat is a chainfist or meltabomb. However, I've never been impressed with meltabombs (stupid needing a 6 to hit...) and I3 or I4 doesn't matter against chainfists.

It's the shooting phase that will see this dread get knocked out. Just like any other dreadnought.

Hopefully, although GW and FW styles are noticeably different. I wouldn't count on anything GW releases to be as good as what FW does.


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DarknessEternal wrote:I've seen more than a hundred games played since the last dreadnought with DCCW made it into assault with anything.

Totally.

Wouldn't it make sense for the MoS to boost its initiative by 1?