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Deadly Dire Avenger







I normally play 40K but this is my first time playing Fantasy. I've so far only played 1 game. I play High Elves and I have a question in regards to the ridden mounts. I've read through the rulebook, and from what I understand, when assaulting non separable mounts (horses), they are treated as 1 model but separating the attacks of the rider and mounts based on initiative and the number of wounds are based on the mount. However, from what I understand about the ridden models, models can split their attacks anyway they want against mount and rider. Now what I don't understand is, would they then be into two entities for wounding? (For example 10 attacks, 5 against dragon, 5 against rider; 5 of them wound against T:3 and the other 5 wound against T:7). If this is the case, then opponents can take the the rider very rapidly and have a chance to leave the dragon to protect the corpse essentially becoming a 370pt sink.

I was wondering in general how combat against a ridden character would work and if you can reference where the rules are on the Rulebook.

Also, how would armor saves work? Would only the rider have armor saves while the mount just eats everything? (unlike 40K a S:1 can potentially wound a T:10 model) So a 50 point rat slave can potentially kill a 370pt Star Dragon?

Thanks for the help.

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Normally people would murder the dragon first.
Reasons being.
It stops his thunder stomp (that is if the dragon is fighting infantry.
The dragon dosnt get the characters ward save etc so if you have a guy with a 4+ ward on the dragon the dragon dosnt have a 4+ ward.

The dragon has armor of its own and when hitting the dragon he gets his armor save unless the attack negates it due to str or its magic effect.

Its under character mounts int he rule book. 104-105 in the mini rule book.

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Why are you paying 50 points for a slave? but yes technically

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50 points for 25 slaves?

OP -
"and the number of wounds are based on the mount"

This is not correct for Cavalry or similar models; the number of wounds is te higher of the mount and the rider. A 3 wound Lord on a 1W horse doesnt suddenly lose 2 wounds.

As above - the star dragon has its own profile, own armour save, etc, so it uses its own stats when being attacked. And generally it is easier to kill a star dragon (3+ save, no armour save rerolls, no ward saves, etc) than it is to kill the T3 elf on top (rerollable high armour save, good ward)
   
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I see, thanks for the clarification guys.

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I think what SkyHawk is asking is actually something I'm having a bit of trouble understanding myself, as it pops up with Tomb Kings quite a bit.

Character riding a Monster. Not a mount or anything, but just with the Star Dragon/Warsphinx/whatever with a King or General or something- what happens to the Character when the Mount dies, and what happens to the Mount when the Character dies?

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Most monsters are immune to psychology and just continue without, if the mount dies character becomes infantry

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The monster would take a Monster Reaction test, then react accordingly when losing its rider.

The character becomes an infantry model and doesn't care when losing its mount.

I suggest you don't believe anything posted by thedarkavenger unless confirmed by other regular posters here at Dakka. He has shown he is incapable of basic English comprehension.
 
   
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So basically, if you kill the character, the Monster lives on, having to take the monster reaction test.

If you kill the Monster, the Character still lives on and acts as normal, unmounted. ( have a model ready to represent this). If the monster is killed, remove it and put the character ( infantry model representing it) in the same spot the original model just was.
   
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issue a challenge and stop the madness. They can only get so much combat resolution especially if the dragon never gets to attack because the challenger dies to the riders attacks.

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