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How do you think the "Fire Frenzy" rule works?
Dread can pivot in movement phase / only fire in 45 degree arc during shooting phase.
Dread can only fire in 45 degree arc in shooting phase.
Dread must pivot in shooting phase to closest unit.

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I know there have bee numerous posts about the fire frenzy rule, but I want to see what the ratio of opinions on the issue are.
I found an interesting and well written article ( http://www.theruleslawyers.com/2009/09/chaos-dreadnought-fire-frenzy-in-5th-edition/ ) on the topic, and I would appreciate it if you would read it before voting.
Thank you for your time!

This discussion is absurd. The mental gymnastics on display here are appalling. The combat familiar gives the DP two attacks with a specific profile. The special rule modifies the DP's attacks, no matter how it got those attacks. The CF's attacks are at AP 2. Anything else is stupid.  
   
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Ruthless Interrogator





Ann Arbor, MI

Poll not required. See the FAQ:

Q: When working out which targets are visible to a
Chaos Dreadnought suffering from a Fire Frenzy result,
are you limited to those units within the 45 degree line
of sight of its weapons? (p40)
A: Yes.
   
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Chicago, IL

The FaQ answers your question:

Q: When working out which targets are visible to a
Chaos Dreadnought suffering from a Fire Frenzy result,
are you limited to those units within the 45 degree line
of sight of its weapons? (p40)
A: Yes

So it the only answer is: "Dread can only fire in 45 degree arc in shooting phase." Since Fire Frenzy says the dread may not move.

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Oh, thanks. I just remember reading a topic on here that turned into a massive argument. So the 45 degree arc is the pretty much accepted interpretation now?

This discussion is absurd. The mental gymnastics on display here are appalling. The combat familiar gives the DP two attacks with a specific profile. The special rule modifies the DP's attacks, no matter how it got those attacks. The CF's attacks are at AP 2. Anything else is stupid.  
   
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Ruthless Interrogator





Ann Arbor, MI

Adanis wrote:So the 45 degree arc is the pretty much accepted interpretation now?
Yeah, the FAQ update was pretty recent, so you don't need to look very far back to see people arguing over it. Post FAQ, it's pretty much crystal clear.

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Adanis wrote:Oh, thanks. I just remember reading a topic on here that turned into a massive argument. So the 45 degree arc is the pretty much accepted interpretation now?


It's what was already in the rules, luckily.
   
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Richmond, VA

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Adanis wrote:Oh, thanks. I just remember reading a topic on here that turned into a massive argument. So the 45 degree arc is the pretty much accepted interpretation now?


It's what was already in the rules, luckily.


Something everyone forgets. It was always the way the FAQ says it works, since vehicles can't see without guns, and dread guns have a 45 degree arc from them.

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Yep, a lot of pepole seemed to think they have the old 180 degree from 4th ed, or thought you are allowed to pivot before determining LOS
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:... or thought you are allowed to pivot before determining LOS


Actually you are allowed to do that one. p. 72
   
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Not in the cased of Fire Frenzy you are not, because the rules for Fire Frenzy states that you are required to pivot towards the nearest model in LOS. You cannot ivot until you know what said model is.

This is differernt to the rules for a walker shooting, as it is more specific
   
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Richmond, VA

Yes in the case of fire frenzy you only pivot towards the closest visable unit/model, using the 45 degree sight from the dreads guns to see what's there.

Keep in mind, you aren't given permission to pivot twice, so if you pivot and find a closer unit, you still fire at the first one.

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After the FAQ, I'm not sure how 3 people voted for the last option.

This discussion is absurd. The mental gymnastics on display here are appalling. The combat familiar gives the DP two attacks with a specific profile. The special rule modifies the DP's attacks, no matter how it got those attacks. The CF's attacks are at AP 2. Anything else is stupid.  
   
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Sioux Falls, SD

Yeah - even in 4th the fules seemed pretty clear - started this discussion on MWG 3 years ago - but people did not believe me....lol


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nosferatu1001 wrote:Not in the cased of Fire Frenzy you are not, because the rules for Fire Frenzy states that you are required to pivot towards the nearest model in LOS. You cannot ivot until you know what said model is.

This is differernt to the rules for a walker shooting, as it is more specific


Not 100% correct. Actually none of the poll answers are 100% correct.

The rules for LOS (p15-16) tell us that a model has to have LOS to a given unit to select it as a target.
The rules for vehicles (p58 and 59) specify that vehicles' LOS is determined by the arcs of their weapons. If one weapon has a target in its arc, but another doesn't, only the weapon which has arc/LOS can fire.
The Walkers Shooting rules (p72) specify that a walker has a 45 degree arc of fire from each weapon, and that when it selects a target, it pivots to face that target. This has two results which are germane to the question of fire frenzy:

1) The target of Fire Frenzy has to be something that was in the walker's arc of fire prior to pivoting. (This is reinforced by the FAQ).
2) Once a target has been selected, THEN the Walker will pivot to face that target, which can mean that if a target was originally only in the arc of one arm's weapon, it will now be able to be fired on by BOTH arms weapons (if present).

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