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Vehicles in squadrons must be within 4 inches coherency. Models must stay more than 1 inch away from enemy models. From this is it possible for enemy models to move (i.e. not assault) through the 4 inch coherency gaps between vehicles in a squadron? So if I'm trying to block purifiers with 2 piranhas they can walk between them as long as they stay more than1 inch from each of them?

EYIG

Yes so long as they remain 1 inch away aside from assault moves they can walk right through. I suggest using your gun drones and your piranhas in concert to stop assaults.

That's kinda what I thought - but here's a follow up. What about Imperial Armour sentry drones?

Presumably the drones form a squadron. If you place them 2.99 inches apart they would form a wall through which units could not pass, and through which tanks could not tank shock (they could ram, but not tank shock). The perfect bubble wrap behind which you could deploy your broadsides.

The danger would be in the assault. If the enemy assault the drones they could pass through the gaps and (with some very careful placement) multi assault units behind - however if you keep units more than about 4 inches behind the drones that couldn't happen.

But here's the question. Let's say a unit assaults the drones, and fails to damage them (quite possible as they are AV12 all round). Because drones are vehicles the assaulting unit is not locked in combat, and can be shot at. However, In the assaulting unit's next movement phase, can they move past the sentry drone wall?

Seems to me that they can't, as they can not move within 1 inch of an enemy unit in the movement phase. Assuming the assaulting unit has assaulted the far side of the sentry drones they still can't move through the wall. So while they are not locked in combat (so can be shot) they can not move through the sentry drone wall until they destroy at least one of them.

If this is right, then sentry drones would be just the thing to shelter your broadsides behind!

EYIG

They are only a squadron if they state they are. Fairly certain they dont.

It says they are a unit of 1-4 and they are vehicles, but it doesn't specifically use the word squadron. But then neither does the codex entry for Pirhanas.

I'd assume they are a squadron, which raises some interesting defensive tactical possibilities.

nosferatu1001 wrote:They are only a squadron if they state they are. Fairly certain they dont.

You've got that backwards. If a unit entry allows multiple vehicles in the same unit whether it uses the word 'squadron' or not, a unit containing multiple vehicles per the rules is a squadron and uses the squadron rules.

It is ONLY if a unit entry specifies that multiple vehicles taken from the same entry do NOT operate as a unit together that they would be independent units from each other (and not form a squadron).

So yes, each Force org choice of Drone Sentry Turrets are most definitely a squadron of immobile vehicles.






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Embrace your inner geek wrote:That's kinda what I thought - but here's a follow up. What about Imperial Armour sentry drones?

Presumably the drones form a squadron. If you place them 2.99 inches apart they would form a wall through which units could not pass, and through which tanks could not tank shock (they could ram, but not tank shock). The perfect bubble wrap behind which you could deploy your broadsides.

The danger would be in the assault. If the enemy assault the drones they could pass through the gaps and (with some very careful placement) multi assault units behind - however if you keep units more than about 4 inches behind the drones that couldn't happen.

But here's the question. Let's say a unit assaults the drones, and fails to damage them (quite possible as they are AV12 all round). Because drones are vehicles the assaulting unit is not locked in combat, and can be shot at. However, In the assaulting unit's next movement phase, can they move past the sentry drone wall?

Seems to me that they can't, as they can not move within 1 inch of an enemy unit in the movement phase. Assuming the assaulting unit has assaulted the far side of the sentry drones they still can't move through the wall. So while they are not locked in combat (so can be shot) they can not move through the sentry drone wall until they destroy at least one of them.

If this is right, then sentry drones would be just the thing to shelter your broadsides behind!

EYIG

Its an okay strategy except that in 1/3 of the games you're playing Dawn of War where the Sentry Turrets have to Deep Strike, which will put them in a big clump together.

Also, as for models that start their movement within 1" of an enemy vehicle its a grey area. I do think what you say is technically correct (if a model starts its move within 1" of an enemy model then by the RAW it may not move), but I don't know if every tournament judge would rule that way. And also, if the assaulting enemy unit is still in contact with the towers, regardless of whether or not they can move in the movement phase they would still be able to assault in the assault phase and potentially 'go get' your Broadsides with that Assault move.

But still, it definitely could be effective in games where you get to use them!