Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I probably know what the answer to this is gonna be, but i'm procrastinating at the library just now and don't have a rulebook.

If I have a CSM lord start in a rhino with possessed, and the possessed roll a 1, can I scout move the rhino if the lord is deployed in it with them?

Thinking of doing a Word Bearers force based on the awesome series, in which the Dark Apostle's bodyguard is usually made up of possessed

I don;t know anything about CSM, but scout is an asterixed USR. So the unit will lose it if the IC doesn't have it.

However, the IC is not attached to the rhino. As it is,

BRB FAQ wrote:Q: Can a vehicle with the Scout special rule still Scout or Outflank if it has a unit embarked in it that doesn’t have the Scout special rule? (p76)
A: Yes

But the rhino doesn't have scout, does it? I really know nothing about CSM.

Assuming the rhino itself does not have scout, and if I understand it correctly, the embarked possessed have scout. And the possessed give scout to their dedicated transport. And the possessed will lose it when joined by an IC without scout and so won't have scout to confer on their dedicated transport. Which would mean that FAQ is not really applicable?

Note all the question marks instead of declarative statement.

The rhino is a dedicated transport for the possessed, this means it confers scout from them, however if an IC is stuck in the transport it can't budge. This is exactly the same as if the possessed were out in the open and got scout, the IC doesn't have it, so they can't do it.

BRB FAQ wrote:Q. Does a unit with the scout special rule pass it on to any vehicle it is embarked in?

A. No.

A Vehicle with scout can carry a non-scouting unit and still use all the benifits of it scouting, but scouts in a non-scouting vehicle would loose the benifit of scouting.

Grendel, the relevant part of that quote is the word "any". Per the rulebook, units with Scout specifically do pass it on to their Dedicated Transport. That FAQ question is clarifying that they don't give it to a NON-Dedicated transport that they're embarked in.

Mannahnin wrote:Grendel, the relevant part of that quote is the word "any". Per the rulebook, units with Scout specifically do pass it on to their Dedicated Transport. That FAQ question is clarifying that they don't give it to a NON-Dedicated transport that they're embarked in.

Yep, you're quite right. Dedicated transports are the exception, my mistake.

However, none of that matters.

A) A unit with Scout loses Scout if an IC without it joins them.
B) The Lord does not have Scout.
> The Possessed lose Scout.

They can't simulatenously lose a USR and confer it to their transport.

I did not know that the Possessed were giving the Rhino, Scout. As such my post has no bearing in this case.

yeah I have always used possessed with a dedicated Rhino, and that they confer the ability onto the transport in the event of rolling a 1 on their daemonkin ability. But didn't think it would apply if there was an IC with them

Just thought I would ask what you guys thought, and if I could chance my luck with it

A sidetrack with the scouts ability - In the daemonkin description, it mentions that the daemonkin ability is rolled after deployment. In a dawn of war deployment, the possessed can't start on the table (as they are Elites) therefore, does that mean that I can outflank them in that instance?

In Dawn of War I think you're still out of luck. Because DURING deployment, when you put a unit in Reserve, is when you have to declare whether it's Outflanking or not. And sadly, due to the stupid timing of the Possessed roll, they don't have Scouts yet at the point when you'd need to make the declaration.

somerandomdude wrote:However, none of that matters.

A) A unit with Scout loses Scout if an IC without it joins them.
B) The Lord does not have Scout.
> The Possessed lose Scout.

They can't simulatenously lose a USR and confer it to their transport.

Oh, of course. We were just discussing a related, tangential question.