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Hey i was wondering what chapter you guys think is better? The Space wolves are Nordic and Viking inspired and the Templars are well based on the Knights Templar lol and i love history and the backgrounds of both but i have no idea which one to pick can you guys help me out

THANKS

Templars, because their fluff isn't idiotic and they have a cooler color scheme.

Coolyo294 wrote:Templars, because their fluff isn't idiotic and they have a cooler color scheme.

how is the wolves idiotic?

Wolves because their fluff isnt idiotic and they have a cooler color scheme

I like wolves because they've got a lot of variety, plus you can have thunderwolf cavalry No better way to troll XD


BT's are pretty cool though too, pretty much the epitome of a crusader... no pskers of any kind and extremely zealous chaplains also fun! Because yelling anything is fun

Do wolves because they can be really conpetitive.

Wolves are the newer (and thanks to codex creep much better) codex, both have some awesome models.
Personally I find the best way to pick an army is to take one with awesome fluff to keep me motivated, I'd suggest going out and picking up prospero burns, battle of the fang or the space wolves omnibus and helsreach then pick the one with the cooler fluff.

Space Wolves have an embarrassingly broken army list, childish "wolf-this, wolf-that" fluff, and seem mainly to appeal to powergamers. The Black Templars, by contrast, are in fluff impressively hardcore without falling into parody - something which has kept them popular despite their ageing codex.

Mmmhh.... not many wolf lovers around...

Templars all the way

Wolves dont have the Holy Hand grenade of Antioch now do they?

Tempalrs, because they are the only Chapter that continued the Emperor's Great Crusade. Also one of the best color schemes in the entire game.

Wow, this has the potential to turn into an wolf hate bandwagon. That being said, make room, I'm jumping on. ignore the lame wolf-this blade, wolf- that necklace, wolf-wolfy-wolfness-of wolfnessyness style that everything in their codex gets named. Ignore their broken rules. Lets just focus on the fluff, shall we? It's really hard not to hate the space wolves. They take pride, arrogance, and ignorance to an extreme even for space marines. They epitomize the term hypocrisy, and continue to be utter douche bags all the way up to the current time of the fluff. If you want more specific details for these claims, they won't be hard to find, just do a simple search for older threads that have gone over in excruciating detail the novels and other fluff which have shown us time and time again that space wolfs suck.

If you didn't guess it by now, my suggestion would be to go BT. The Emprah's Champion model is still one of my favorites, and I think they are in the rumor mill for one of the next codices to be released.

Mike101 wrote:The Space wolves are Nordic and Viking inspired and the Templars are well based on the Knights Templar lol and i love history and the backgrounds of both but i have no idea which one to pick can you guys help me out.

Yeah, personally I much prefer the Nordic/Viking mythology over the Crusades/Knights Templar one - outside of 40K.

However, I love the Black Templars and have never much cared for the Space Wolves. My reasons are pretty much what's already been said, alongside the fact that when I first got into 40K, it was the Templars on the starter box and rule book and therefore they were my very first army! So yeah, I'm biased in that way, as I think you always hold a soft spot for your first.

My advice is to look at both, read up on them using the wiki/lex sites, take a look at the mini range, etc and then pick what you think looks/sounds the coolest . . . and absolutely not pick based on what's considered "competitive".

Phiasco II wrote:It's really hard not to hate the space wolves. They take pride, arrogance, and ignorance to an extreme even for space marines. They epitomize the term hypocrisy, and continue to be utter douche bags all the way up to the current time of the fluff.

They take pride in what they do but don't have an inflated ego about it like the ultramarines. They are NOT ignorant but they play the part because they like people to think they are as it leads to their enemies underestimating them. There is some hypocrisy in using wolf priests during the sacking of Prospero (which happened because the suns were still using psychic powers after being told to stop) but they understand the difference between sorcery and their own shamans, other than that I can't think of any examples of hypocrisy. They do come off as jerks but that's their job.

The are also loyal, fierce and care about humanity.
Oh and that's a pretty big difference between wolves and templars there, templars are perfectly happy to complete their objectives and leave the humans to die if need be while wolves are one of the few chapters to actually try and help humans.

Wolves are not douchebags.... you want douchebags, go see the marines malevolent...

I really don't see where all this hate for the SW's comes from. Maybe because I don't play the hobby much, maybe there's some underlying problem with their rules... (OP maybe?)

I like the fluff, it's like having a wolf as a pet... will probably cause a big mess and is unsafe for everyone around you, but will listen to what you say, (if you say it specifically, no proxies)

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I really don't see where all this hate for the SW's comes from. Maybe because I don't play the hobby much, maybe there's some underlying problem with their rules... (OP maybe?)

A space wolf is a point or 2 cheaper than a tac marine, comes with acute senses and an extra cc weapon, oh and counter charge or something.

jonolikespie wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I really don't see where all this hate for the SW's comes from. Maybe because I don't play the hobby much, maybe there's some underlying problem with their rules... (OP maybe?)

A space wolf is a point or 2 cheaper than a tac marine, comes with acute senses and an extra cc weapon, oh and counter charge or something.

Well that sounds extremely annoying... do BT's get anything like that?

jonolikespie wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I really don't see where all this hate for the SW's comes from. Maybe because I don't play the hobby much, maybe there's some underlying problem with their rules... (OP maybe?)

A space wolf is a point or 2 cheaper than a tac marine, comes with acute senses and an extra cc weapon, oh and counter charge or something.

Yeah but that doesn't make them OP because of the....um....hmmmm......oh wait yeah it does.

Wolfs. Because their leader gave a giant birdie the the inquisition.
And because i lve their icongraphy.

they understand the difference between sorcery and their own shamans, other than that I can't think of any examples of hypocrisy.

Thank you for proving one of my points for me. "Sorcery? NO NO NO, YOU MUST DIE!!!! What? Shamans? No man that's totally different. Shammys draw their power from our planet, duh." Shamans are psykers, period. Anything said otherwise is just the space wolves trying to excuse their own hypocrasy. As for when the space wolves decided that they knew better then the inquisition as pertaining to cleaning up after a major deamonic incursion, that's just pure prideful arrogance. Who are the space wolves to decide that a millions of lives are worth risking the lives of trillions of others who would be in danger of further deamonic incursions? Basically the space wolves decision to work against the inquisition by smuggling out the guardsmen who were possibly tainted by chaos should have earned them the status of excamunicatus. This is because their actions knowingly and willingly aided the spread of chaos. So, yeah, hypocrite douche bags the lot of them.


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they understand the difference between sorcery and their own shamans, other than that I can't think of any examples of hypocrisy.

Thank you for proving one of my points for me. "Sorcery? NO NO NO, YOU MUST DIE!!!! What? Shamans? No man that's totally different. Shammys draw their power from our planet, duh." Shamans are psykers, period. Anything said otherwise is just the space wolves trying to excuse their own hypocrasy. As for when the space wolves decided that they knew better then the inquisition as pertaining to cleaning up after a major deamonic incursion, that's just pure prideful arrogance. Who are the space wolves to decide that millions of lives are worth risking the lives of trillions of others who would be in danger of further deamonic incursions? Basically the space wolves decision to work against the inquisition by smuggling out the guardsmen who were possibly tainted by chaos should have earned them the status of excamunicatus. This is because their actions knowingly and willingly aided the spread of chaos. So, yeah, hypocrite douche bags the lot of them.


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Whoa, why'd it post it twice? That's weird.

It's a fairly minor point, but the BTs are actually based far more on the Teutonic Knights than the Knights Templar.

Phiasco II wrote:

they understand the difference between sorcery and their own shamans, other than that I can't think of any examples of hypocrisy.

Thank you for proving one of my points for me. "Sorcery? NO NO NO, YOU MUST DIE!!!! What? Shamans? No man that's totally different. Shammys draw their power from our planet, duh." Shamans are psykers, period. Anything said otherwise is just the space wolves trying to excuse their own hypocrasy. As for when the space wolves decided that they knew better then the inquisition as pertaining to cleaning up after a major deamonic incursion, that's just pure prideful arrogance. Who are the space wolves to decide that a millions of lives are worth risking the lives of trillions of others who would be in danger of further deamonic incursions? Basically the space wolves decision to work against the inquisition by smuggling out the guardsmen who were possibly tainted by chaos should have earned them the status of excamunicatus. This is because their actions knowingly and willingly aided the spread of chaos. So, yeah, hypocrite douche bags the lot of them.

Yes, their shamans are psykers but there is a difference. They still draw power from the warp but they don't run around with pet daemons and they have restraint.

If I was the emperor I would want the wolves over the knights anyday !

If I was playing to win a tournament - wolves

If I was playing in a friendly - templar (emperors champion, landraider redeemer and 10 assault terminators with TH/SS is too good to miss)

sumi808 wrote:If I was the emperor I would want the wolves over the knights anyday !

...because?

Fluff wise, both are really cool. The last "wolf wolf wolf wolf russ!" thing is kinda idiotic, but as a SW player ah disregard it and make my wolves more Vlka Fenryka and less Spess Wolves.

The shaman/psyker thing, as I see it, it's because Rune Priests have a more humble attitude towards the Warp, and know they can only "dip their foot" on the Great Ocean. Psykers tend to (not all, though) go "I have the power! I can control it!" and Chaos goes "lolwut".

The never ending crusade of the Black Templars is nice, but as Seaward said it, they're more teutonic and less poor knights of the temple of Solomon (when I was first checkin' WH stuff, knowing nothing, i found funny to see a chapter called Black Templars, that had a "reverse Knights Hospitallers" color schemes with that cross.

But yes, I like how they work and have their chaprter structured. ( I have a soft spot in my heart for chapters that uses their copies of the Codex Astertes as make-do toilet paper).

I personally find the BTs more interesting. Space barbarians are cool, but a chapter largely based on the extremely grim, vicious campaigns of the Teutonic Knights against the Baltic pagans is considerably more fascinating. The Templars are the hardcore of the hardcore.

Space Wolves brah.

Cheap Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, and those Thunderwolves are incredible models.

And I like the fluff, feth the haters. It reads more like folklore then Grimdark.

Space Wolves is the best option. As Shadowbrand said, the folkloreish fluff is much pleasent than grimdakrness all around

SW is what I prefer. BT are.nice but to me they are just other marines, albeit more zealous.

Wolves have Wolves. Big ones! I love animals, especially hunting, feral beasts, and canines.

Seriously, If I were to get a wolf army, Harald Deathwolf's stuff FTW!


That said, I think you know where I stand.

Mike101 wrote: Hey i was wondering what chapter you guys think is better? The Space wolves are Nordic and Viking inspired and the Templars are well based on the Knights Templar lol and i love history and the backgrounds of both but i have no idea which one to pick can you guys help me out

THANKS

What do you like about Space Wolves? Click here for some Space Wolf Specific discussion. Click here for some space wolf specific army lists. Does the fluff discussion and army lists appeal to you?

What do you like about Black Templars? Click here for some Black Templar Specific Discussion. Click here for some Black Templar army lists. Does the fluff discussion and army lists appeal to you?

Which would you have more fun playing?

Which would you have more fun painting?

Which would you have more fun modeling/converting?

Take a little time and research the two is my recommendation. Don't just go by what has the best units or what-not. If you pick an army and get bored in 6 months, then you chose poorly.