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It's such a shame that Kroxigors, Terradon Riders, Oldblood on Carnosaur, and the other fun Lizardmen models are just kinda bad or in the case of Oldblood on Carosaur... impossible to field unless you drop your SLANN or you are in like a 4000 point round. I don't care too much, but its kinda a bummer.

Or if you modify your tactics and make it work. Heaven forbid that people try new tactics or break away from the "wisdom" of mathhammer and fuzzy metagame discussion.

No offense but I have two Best Overalls and a Best general with an Oldblood on Carno. I also use a Skrox unit and a unit of Terradons.

You can make a very hard hitting and fast army with those components.

It is a fallacy that you must have a L4 to be competitve on the tourney scene.

Hinge

I think it's certainly possible. The Lv4 come with higher risk/rewards--if you don't roll your good spells, if you roll terrible for Winds every round, if you Miscast and splat yourself, if you do roll a mega spell and it misses or the enemy saves, etc, etc.

If you're just going to slug it out, you know you're on solid footing. There's less variables on your side. But you still have to deal with the potentialities of enemy spells.

I'm tempted to buy a carnosaur...

Ha! I was about to post that I'd played against an army that beat me up pretty good with all of those things. But it was hinge. You can find good uses for all those pieces.

curran12 wrote:Or if you modify your tactics and make it work. Heaven forbid that people try new tactics or break away from the "wisdom" of mathhammer and fuzzy metagame discussion.

IMPOSSIBRU!

Lizardmen have the most potent "Monster Mash" lists, IMO. And Carnosaurs, Kroxigors and even Terradons have a place in them. Out of all the books, Lizardmen are probably the LAST ones to have worthless units, honestly. And lacking a level 4 is NOT a problem, you just have to be prepared to deal with that lack in your list, often with dominance over the combat (and perhaps even shooting) phases. And hell, even in high games (3000 pts +) you can sneak a Slann in there, or even enough Skink Priests/Engines of the Gods to dominate magic as well.

A lizardmen monster mash list broke my Beastmens 17 win streak....

Indeed, “monster mash” is what I have been playing it. Two stegs and a Carno provide a great deal of “target saturation”. That is also a boat load of pain that can be applied in a narrow frontage. Another advantage is if the Carno dies and the Old Blood survives, he does not give up his points. The army is very maneuverable and with loads of skirmishers and a couple of single model sallies, you have tools to dominate the “chaff” battle. There are some bad match ups that you have to catch a couple of breaks (my battle with RZ for example, I made a pretty ridiculous break test that allowed my suarus to go into buzz saw mode the next turn) but even my losses have been pretty narrow. Frankly, I have even gotten a couple of draws, which I never get with WoC.

When it comes to magic, Heavens is not bad and Ice Shard Blizzard is fantastic. On defense, even when I have a L4, it seems like I am saving my dice to stop that one critical spell a turn, so dropping to L2 does not seem to hurt too much. The nice part is you should dominate movement phase and will engage combats on your terms.

Hinge

If I couldn't get a Slann I would probably go with Tetto'Eko... and you people are persuasive...

LordHamshire wrote:If I couldn't get a Slann I would probably go with Tetto'Eko... and you people are persuasive...

Naah get two priests instead, scroll+cube=searious enemy magick nerf.
Tetto is best used with a heavens slaan for that one turn of heavenly mayhem.

Go with my way of doing armies. Choose the models you think look best, stick em in a list, have fun.
Now if cold one cavalry weren't just shouted down straight off too...

Actually i've used them a couple of times, they're pretty good for flanking as are all cav, and lizardmen have it best when dealing with stupidity.

HoverBoy wrote:

LordHamshire wrote:If I couldn't get a Slann I would probably go with Tetto'Eko... and you people are persuasive...

Naah get two priests instead, scroll+cube=searious enemy magick nerf.
Tetto is best used with a heavens slaan for that one turn of heavenly mayhem.

Ugh... Cube and D-Scroll.....

Also for core take skinks as they can keep up with the rest of your army

The carnosaur remains one of my favorite GW models, pretty much of all time.

Johnny-Crass wrote:Ugh... Cube and D-Scroll.....

I'm pretty sure the Empire can load up with 2 dispel scrolls...

Not sure if the seal is worse than the cube. Certainly worse for vampires and other undead.

Yea Empire and HE can, but not much is worse than cube when you really need that magic phase

That's the whole point tho with no lvl 4 of you'r own nothiung is better than yelling DENIED right after the opponent throws his first spell.