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It seems to me that the only time one takes a warboss as an HQ is either a special Character, for a deffwing/deffstar, or for a nob-based army (rarely this one). Does anyone actually put the Warboss to good use beyond what has been mentioned? Or is it just me.
It seems this reasoning is because the warboss cannot compare as much to a Big Mek or A special character when it comes to use(s). Has his role and effectiveness diminished wth new options and lack of requirement to take a warboss?

Warbosses used to more common when nob bikers and nob wagons were more popular. Now that people know how to handle them, they aren't nearly as scary as other trouble units.

That being said, a Warboss is actually one of the few CC characters who kills enough to justify his cost in both slots and points. If it weren't for the FOC issues that 4th ed book orcs have always had, you might see them more often.

Main Reason I would say is Fluff, no actually Waaagh would go without one, I personally don't leave home without one mainly because he does damage to most troop units especially with a Trukk mob in support but 750+ I also go with a Big Mek usually KFF but sometimes SAG.

I use them as a backup to Wazdakka in biker lists (put a bikerboss with a unit of regular bikers, and use them as ablative wounds while he PK's things down).

I sometimes run one for my meganobz/battlewagons lists.

Most of the time though he just gets beaker-slapped by the OP SC of the day on the other side, without getting to even swing. Too many -remove from play/Instakill effects to make him worth it these days.

Warbosses are a damn bargain. I usually equip em with a power klaw, cybork save, and maybe an attack squig if I had the spare points. These guys are dead killy when you put em in with a lot of boyz. Really pulls his weight and then some. Whenever I run an ork list I always have 1 Big Mek w/ KFF for his support value, and a warboss to stick in with a dead 'ard assault unit.

Putting a 'boss in with stinkrot (the commando guy wasnt sure on spelling) and having him walk on the back edge is big where Im at.

Snikrot, but i doubt you'd be wrong on the comment on hos aroma

It works, but tends to lead to sacrificial HQ syndrome, and my local tourneys give the oppoent extra VP for killing enemy HQ's

I think every ork army that doesn't require two KFF meks (namely the omnipresent kan wall) has a warboss of some sort. I would count Ghazghkull Thrakka as a warboss in all aspects, he is just a +100 points upgrade over the normal warboss. At high point levels people prefer to run him, as he can really make mess out almost any unit in the game, while your run-of-the-mill warboss tends to get messed up by high strength close combat attacks.

Doesn't change that the Warboss is the second best HQ in the codex. Sadly nothing can compete with the boring KFF mek.

Unless you like throwing a little Chaos into the mix... then a Warphead or SAG are useful.

Ive had a SAG do jack squat for 4 turns, and then get a double six, no scatter with trayzn (or however you spell that newcron's name) under the template. i have also had him get a double 5 while targeting a furioso...

Yeah, I adore the fluff...everything about the big-boss... but he just gets killed off too easily. Though, I have not put him in a 30-strong slugga mob yet. >8D

Jidmah wrote:I think every ork army that doesn't require two KFF meks (namely the omnipresent kan wall) has a warboss of some sort. I would count Ghazghkull Thrakka as a warboss in all aspects, he is just a +100 points upgrade over the normal warboss. At high point levels people prefer to run him, as he can really make mess out almost any unit in the game, while your run-of-the-mill warboss tends to get messed up by high strength close combat attacks.

Not so...

Ghazhkull has Eternal Warrior and Ghazhkull's Wagh. One dramatically changes what you can assault (namely, Grey Knights and walkers), the other allows you to change your entire army's shooting phase. Ghaz isn't simply a +1 A +1 S point upgrade, he actually changes mechanics over a regular warboss.

As my small Ork army is a foot horde Army, I love my Warboss's Waaaagh ability and use it in most games.

The warboss is a toughness 5 monster. I give him mega armor, boss pole and attack squig, cybork parts if I have the points. He takes str 8-9 wounds for the nobs he's with or sticks with the kommandos that are coming. For the points, and the fact that only force weapons in melee can really instant kill him, he's amazing.

Ghaz is a waste of points unless you're running a completely footslog army of boyz and nobs.

juraigamer wrote:Ghaz is a waste of points unless you're running a completely footslog army of boyz and nobs.

I have to disagree completely with you. Ghaz gives you a sure 26" charge with battlewagon orks. I'd guess most folks would find that useful.

kronk wrote:I love my Warboss's Waaaagh ability and use it in most games.

You dont need the warboss to use a Waaagh. Any ork army can do that.

I think Warbosses are still usefull, though in higher point games I almost always go with Ghazy. I do really like Mad Doc, but as I almost always take a Big Mek wit KFF, he usually gets shelved. In low point games I usually take the Warboss still or if I want to outflank him with Snikrot, as he does not have a PK.

You do need Ghazzykins to make your WAAGH reliable, however.

If you needed to WAAGH, you needed more than 1-2 inches in 90% of the cases. A Ghaz WAAGH can mean the difference between a titanic wave of green hate crashing down on your opponent and a pathetic stumble leaving your boyz at the feet of a waiting gun line.

Edit: yeah and thats correct, any army can WAAAGH no matter who leads it. The only benefits a Warboss brings is the possibility of an extra battlewagon through nobz and the fact that he's a giant green freight train that will make anything short of a deathstar run in the opposite direction.

newbis wrote:

juraigamer wrote:Ghaz is a waste of points unless you're running a completely footslog army of boyz and nobs.

I have to disagree completely with you. Ghaz gives you a sure 26" charge with battlewagon orks. I'd guess most folks would find that useful.

This. Battlewagons moving 12/13" and then having orks charge units 14" away from them scare the gak out of any army. You just have to find the points to use him.
In addition you can just open a door and drop ten tons of green prophet onto any unit in the game and expect it to be at least half dead afterwards, that's not bad either.

TedNugent wrote:Not so...

Ghazhkull has Eternal Warrior and Ghazhkull's Wagh. One dramatically changes what you can assault (namely, Grey Knights and walkers), the other allows you to change your entire army's shooting phase. Ghaz isn't simply a +1 A +1 S point upgrade, he actually changes mechanics over a regular warboss.

I wouldn't call being able to charge Grey Knights(= force weapon wielding models) and (DCCW-)Walkers a dramatical change. I usually have my warboss with my burnaz anyways, so if they decide to force-weapon the warboss, that's no hammerhand/purifying flames this turn. Which in turn means lots of alive and kicking burnaz, who will then have a great time cutting those shiny beakies open. That said, I rarely find myself charging thrakka into walkers anyways, except that odd blood talon dread. Outside of the Waagh! you aren't guaranteed that he takes down the dread either, as 5++ and 4W only go so far against an opponent with 4 or more attacks which wounds on 2+. Of course you get a rather nice package for your 100 points, but Thrakka still isn't as different from a MA Warboss as you try to make it out to be. He is to a warboss as Ol'Zogwort is to Weirdboyz or Pedro Cantor to Chapter Masters or Crowe to Brotherhood Champions. If he just got a flat stat boost, he would be a pretty boring special character, wouldn't he?

Goresaw wrote:You do need Ghazzykins to make your WAAGH reliable, however.

If you needed to WAAGH, you needed more than 1-2 inches in 90% of the cases. A Ghaz WAAGH can mean the difference between a titanic wave of green hate crashing down on your opponent and a pathetic stumble leaving your boyz at the feet of a waiting gun line.

Edit: yeah and thats correct, any army can WAAAGH no matter who leads it. The only benefits a Warboss brings is the possibility of an extra battlewagon through nobz and the fact that he's a giant green freight train that will make anything short of a deathstar run in the opposite direction.

A warboss is also great at boosting LD and bringing a boss pole to units that need it, like burnaz or MANz.