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I only have limited funds, and i know that, generally speaking that is, vindis and preds dont work well solo. So i was wondering what peoples opinions are on buying either vindis or preds as just a general thing to have in no specific list.

Well, predators are best suited at taking out other vehicles and monstrous creatures, with an autocannon turret and lascannon sponsons. For anything and everything else I would take a Vindicator. They're also amazing terror weapons and even if they don't shoot, an inordinate amount of crap will be aimed at them.

So you think that generally having vindi's will be better?

They don't do well against small vehicles or monstrous creatures, but against larger tanks, hordes of infantry, elite infantry or multiwound models they're wonderful. Evaporating squads of Tyranid Warriors, Mega Armored Nobz, Thunderwolf Cavalry or Terminators is awesome. The only drawback is the relatively short range.

Also, you're looking for "vindis" not "vindi's" there. Apostrophes aren't for plurals, they're for contractions and possessives.

Vindicators are area denial, if you don't want someone going over there, make sure the vindi is pointed at it. They are scary as SRM said.

Predators are ridiculously cheap to start off with, and can be upgraded to paste medium infantry or MCs and vehicles. However, this job can be done better by devastators with MLs, Lascannons or multi-meltas

Ozomoto wrote:So you think that generally having vindi's will be better?

Quite the opposite. Vindicators will suffer badly from every single damage result. in fact two thirds of the possible damage results will mean that your Vindi becomes a permanent paperweight ( remember, it has no turret so an imobilised result means that it is no longer efficient at shooting ) compared to 1/3 for a Predator. With sidearmour of 11 and the need to get close the Vindicator is highly vulnerable.
Some people consider it to be a terrorweapon but i disagree. First, most armies are meched up. Against mechanised opponents you are better served with a Predator, which, unlike the Vindicator
can affect the battle from turn one, can be kept relatively save and has more anti tank firepower. Against hordes the Vindicator might make some sense, if it actualy manages to get close enough ( even then coversaves and the general cheapness of horde targets might not always make the Vindi worth the effort ).
At the end of the day a single Demolisher cannon on a rather expensive and vulnerable chasis isn't particularly scary.

KingDeath wrote:

Ozomoto wrote:So you think that generally having vindi's will be better?

Quite the opposite. Vindicators will suffer badly from every single damage result. in fact two thirds of the possible damage results will mean that your Vindi becomes a permanent paperweight ( remember, it has no turret so an imobilised result means that it is no longer efficient at shooting ) compared to 1/3 for a Predator. With sidearmour of 11 and the need to get close the Vindicator is highly vulnerable.
Some people consider it to be a terrorweapon but i disagree. First, most armies are meched up. Against mechanised opponents you are better served with a Predator, which, unlike the Vindicator
can affect the battle from turn one, can be kept relatively save and has more anti tank firepower. Against hordes the Vindicator might make some sense, if it actualy manages to get close enough ( even then coversaves and the general cheapness of horde targets might not always make the Vindi worth the effort ).
At the end of the day a single Demolisher cannon on a rather expensive and vulnerable chasis isn't particularly scary.

Well id be running multiple vindicators. Also black temp vindicators can get power of the machine spirit if that changes anything.

If you are running black templars then vindicators are a must. They destroy everything. Other than that I think predators are better for other space marines, because other opponents dont see them as much of a threat they wont get shot at as fast and with as much ordinance. you can build them a little cheaper too, letting you potentially field more or use points elsewhere

Ozomoto wrote:I only have limited funds, and i know that, generally speaking that is, vindis and preds dont work well solo.

Says who?



Go with the Predator, it's more versatile and can be more effective if used right. The Vindicator, while a very solid tank is a one trick pony.

That is a caveat with Vindicators - you generally will want more than one in a big game. I run three with my Iron Warriors. The following plan generally happens every game:
One Vindicator to die.
One Vindicator to shoot.
One Vindicator to hit what the second Vindicator misses.

I wish there was a super tank with a Vindicator Cannon, an autocannon turret, and lascannon sponsons. I suppose a Leman Russ comes close to that though.

I can never choose. I like them both equally, although vindicators more so, mainly because predators are unnecessarily slow, and if I'm gonna be slow, a vindicator is probably a better choice. When you play DE, you get accustomed to having these speeding anti-tank platforms

The Predator's strength is the simple fact that it can happily sit on your back table edge and shoot at almost anything. Front 13 means much more when you're in the backfield and melta has more trouble pushing to you. Because the Vindicator must operate at a shorter range, side shots become far more prevalent as well as exposing you to medium range high strength guns. The sponsons also make the Predator more resilient to weapon-destroyed results. If you took a Destructor and lose the AC, you can still reliably put wounds on infantry or even stun venoms and the like. A Vindicator without the demolisher is a rhino that people can't hide in.

Predator. So many more options (magnatize!!!!), and the turret lets you keep firing around the board if you get immobilized.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I wish there was a super tank with a Vindicator Cannon, an autocannon turret, and lascannon sponsons. I suppose a Leman Russ comes close to that though.

I can never choose. I like them both equally, although vindicators more so, mainly because predators are unnecessarily slow, and if I'm gonna be slow, a vindicator is probably a better choice. When you play DE, you get accustomed to having these speeding anti-tank platforms

I believe there's a FW Land Raider that has something to that effect. An Ares pattern, or summat?

HaeliaJLR wrote:
I believe there's a FW Land Raider that has something to that effect. An Ares pattern, or summat?

The Land Raider Ares is an Apocalypse-only Land Raider variant, and the only means to create it is via kitbash of a Vindicator and a Land Raider. Rules are here:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180096_Space_Marines_Datasheet_-_Land_Raider_Ares.pdf
E: My god, the fluff on that is horribly, horribly written. GW's interns must've gotten to that one.

Yeah, that fluff is pretty horrible, but it seems cool. Shame you can't take the achilles with lascannons