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2012/03/24 07:48:50
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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So the name says it all, which current space marine would be the best warrior in hand to hand/shooting/overall.
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Hey guys just to clear it up i'm talking about fluff wise and about loyalist space marines.
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2012/03/24 07:53:19
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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very hard question to answer.
Hand to hand: If chaos ones are included I'd have to say Kharn the Betrayer, if not then some Chapter Master, possibly Marneus.
Shooting: Once again, not sure but probably a chapter master of some kind.
Overall: Same as shooting.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2012/03/24 08:03:41
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Mephiston and Draigo are up there. Can't actually think of any loyalists that match them.
Traitor-wise we have, as mentioned, Khârn the Betrayer, who got ran over by a Land Raider and lived.
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2012/03/24 08:16:16
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Mephiston is to space marines what space marines are to humans.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2012/03/24 08:46:24
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Mephiston, or Ragnar Blackmane maybe?
Who knows, it's pretty hard to quantify, depending if you are going on Lore or Stats.
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2012/03/24 09:06:55
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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In the background. Calgar. No contest really.
In the game. Likely Calgar, though Draigo comes very close. Mephiston isn't even in the Top 5.
Marneus Augustus Calgar vs. Lord Kaldar Draigo
Caveat: I assume both combatants simultaniously charge each other at the start of the 1st turn, firing their weapon as they do. I'll ignore Calgars Combat Tactics, Orbit. Bomb and Draigo's flamy-power.
Round 1:
Draigo Shooting: 2 shots ( Str. 4, AP5), 2 hits (for simplicity) resulting in 1 wound and 0,16 wounds after saves (2+)
Calgar Shooting: 2 shots ( Str. 4, AP2), 1,6666 hits resulting in 0,926 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0,31 wounds after saves (3++).
Draigo CC: 5 Attacks ( Str. 6 w/ HH), 3,3333 hits resulting in 2,222 wounds and 1,111 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 1,261 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 6 Attacks ( Str. 8), 3 hits resulting in 2,91 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.97 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 1,896 wounds total on average
Round 2:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks ( Str. 6 w/ HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 2,15 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks ( Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 2,71 wounds total on average
Round 3:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks ( Str. 6 w/ HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 3,038 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks ( Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 3,52 wounds total on average
Round 4:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks ( Str. 6 w/ HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 3,926 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks ( Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 4,33 wounds total on average (e.g. R.I.P.)
Conclusing. Calgar wins over Draigo with an average of 0,074 wounds left after 4 rounds of combat.
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2012/03/24 09:43:28
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Very hard question to answer as JohnnoM said.
In hand to hand combat it had to be Draigo, he after all tore down City of Knowledge with his bare hands and killed some of the most powerful creatures known to Men.
As for shooting....who know's...every Astartes is pro when it comes to this area.
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2012/03/24 15:50:41
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Zweischneid wrote:In the background. Calgar. No contest really.
In the game. Likely Calgar, though Draigo comes very close. Mephiston isn't even in the Top 5.
Until you realize that Mephiston kills Calgar on round 2.
6 attacks on the charge, forces a LD check or Mephiston gets to re-roll to hit and to wound. Calgar has no chance unless he gets lucky with his 4++, but average rolls Mephiston hits 6 times, wounds 6 times, Calgar saves 3, round 2 Mephiston hits 5 times, wounds 5 times Calgar saves 2 or 3, Calgar dies. and has only done about 3 of Mephistons 5 wounds.
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2012/03/24 15:55:20
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Lysander!
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2012/03/24 16:03:43
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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In CC, I would have to say the Sanguinor, exemplar of the host. 2+ 3++ and he rerolls fail rolls to hit and to wound (Avenging angel) with a WS8 and 6 attacks on the charge. He has no shooting attack though. Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, that settles that argument...next topic? LOL 
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2012/03/24 17:18:34
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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sub-zero wrote:In CC, I would have to say the Sanguinor, exemplar of the host. 2+ 3++ and he rerolls fail rolls to hit and to wound (Avenging angel) with a WS8 and 6 attacks on the charge. He has no shooting attack though. Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, that settles that argument...next topic? LOL
Actually with only Str 5 he has a tough time wounding Mephiston. But as for the "Who would be the strongest space marine" question, Mephiston can bench press a Land Raider. so he is the strongest marine.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2012/03/24 19:13:46
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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DeathReaper wrote:sub-zero wrote:In CC, I would have to say the Sanguinor, exemplar of the host. 2+ 3++ and he rerolls fail rolls to hit and to wound (Avenging angel) with a WS8 and 6 attacks on the charge. He has no shooting attack though.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well, that settles that argument...next topic? LOL
Actually with only Str 5 he has a tough time wounding Mephiston.
But as for the "Who would be the strongest space marine" question, Mephiston can bench press a Land Raider. so he is the strongest marine.
Well, 3+ to hit (with re-rolls) and 5+ to wound ( with re-rolls) isn't too shabby, but Mephy does have 2 more wounds than the host. Should be a pretty close matchup.
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2012/03/24 20:03:13
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Doesn't calgar have powerfists though. And Mephiston has no invul.
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2012/03/24 20:16:10
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Kharn, someone as crazy as him, must be pretty strong, especially with Khornes blessings...
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2012/03/24 20:21:36
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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Somebody should do the mathhammer on Calgar vs. exemplar of the host.
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2012/03/24 22:27:04
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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hey everyone,
i was just reading the lexicanum as you do and i found
Tu'Shan Salamanders Chapter Master and Regent of Prometheus. Led the Salamanders during the Second and Third wars for Armageddon and is reknowned as one of the strongest Space Marines alive.
- edit - link http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Chapter_Masters#.T25HpHjmrTQ
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2012/03/24 23:22:38
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Shepherd
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Prob with Meph is if he fought Draigo he goes at 1 and is abused by Draigo.
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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2012/03/24 23:25:18
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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What about Logan?
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2012/03/24 23:48:07
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I'd say in fluff, Abaddon if you include traitors. And Abaddon on the table as well. If you don't include traitors, then probably Draigo in fluff, Mephiston Lord of Cheese on table.
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2012/03/25 00:52:52
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Great White wrote:Doesn't calgar have powerfists though. And Mephiston has no invul.
Yea, but Meph has 6 attacks that, if Calgar fails a LD-4 check, that Meph gets to reroll all to hit and to wound rolls. With 6 attacks on the charge and Str 6 WS7 and Initiative 7, Calgar needs to get lucky to actually swing at Meph.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/03/25 02:21:13
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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This has been math hammered to death. Abby is usually the toughest "human" on the table, but gets beat by some xenos like the swarmlord. But if Abby rolls enough attacks with his demon sword he can kill anything.
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2012/03/25 02:23:56
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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I can't recall the name o the GK guy, but the one who has stances and can reroll on saves (with a halo) and can insta gib you if you kill him? I'd call that pretty powerful...you don't really win if you're dead in the end too. 
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2012/03/25 02:33:06
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Kevlar wrote:This has been math hammered to death. Abby is usually the toughest "human" on the table, but gets beat by some xenos like the swarmlord. But if Abby rolls enough attacks with his demon sword he can kill anything.
Well they did ask the strongest Space Marine........
Realistically no single model should stand toe to toe with the Swarmlord for very long.
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2012/03/25 02:33:29
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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2012/03/25 03:29:22
Subject: Who would be the strongest space marine.
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bmoleski wrote:Kevlar wrote:This has been math hammered to death. Abby is usually the toughest "human" on the table, but gets beat by some xenos like the swarmlord. But if Abby rolls enough attacks with his demon sword he can kill anything.
Well they did ask the strongest Space Marine........
Realistically no single model should stand toe to toe with the Swarmlord for very long.
Realisically? lol Cause huge super humans fighting an alien is realistic at the start? hhmm Sounds like you live in an intersting reality.
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The enemy of my enemy is a bastard so lets kill him too.
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2012/03/25 03:39:32
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Draigo wrote:bmoleski wrote:Kevlar wrote:This has been math hammered to death. Abby is usually the toughest "human" on the table, but gets beat by some xenos like the swarmlord. But if Abby rolls enough attacks with his demon sword he can kill anything.
Well they did ask the strongest Space Marine........
Realistically no single model should stand toe to toe with the Swarmlord for very long.
Realisically? lol Cause huge super humans fighting an alien is realistic at the start? hhmm Sounds like you live in an intersting reality.
You misinterpreted what I meant. I meant in an actual game on the table the Swarmlord should defeat pretty much any single model. That's what I meant to say.
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2012/03/25 03:39:51
Subject: Re:Who would be the strongest space marine.
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Powerful Chaos Warrior
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Shooting lias issodon Raptors chapter master
Combat tyberos carcharadons chapter master or mephiston
Psyker easily Ahriman he almost matched magnus and is.like a living warp conduit now
overall Grimaldus Black Templars hes a force.multipler hes good in all respects and is a really interesting character.
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2012/03/25 04:31:14
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bmoleski wrote:Draigo wrote:bmoleski wrote:Kevlar wrote:This has been math hammered to death. Abby is usually the toughest "human" on the table, but gets beat by some xenos like the swarmlord. But if Abby rolls enough attacks with his demon sword he can kill anything.
Well they did ask the strongest Space Marine........
Realistically no single model should stand toe to toe with the Swarmlord for very long.
Realisically? lol Cause huge super humans fighting an alien is realistic at the start? hhmm Sounds like you live in an intersting reality.
You misinterpreted what I meant. I meant in an actual game on the table the Swarmlord should defeat pretty much any single model. That's what I meant to say.
Are you saying Swarmlord is stronger then a daemon primarch? Or a greater daemon? Cause various marines have defeated those. I think youre overestimating the swarmlord. If an incarnation of war or an avatar of a god can lose to a marine then so can swarmie.
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2012/03/25 04:41:44
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I think that we're losing focus here. Now we were talking about how the Sanguinor, Exemplar of the host was the strongest marine ever. And.............GO!
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2012/03/25 04:52:41
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Except that The Sanguinor can not bench press a Land Raider, Mephiston Can...
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I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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