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I know as with any rule it's up to you and your opponent to agree on any rules, but I was wondering how do most players feel about using Imperial Armour stuff, in non Apocalypse games?

I need to get a general conciseness here lol

AFAIK as long as you tell people before the game starts, and allow them to look over the various rules in IA, most people generally don't mind. It's when mid-way through the game you surprise them with something, that pisses them off. Such as, "BTW, this isn't an IG army, It's DKoK and I have this special bombardment as a HS choice that you can't destroy but can fire every turn.

bearjrca wrote:I know as with any rule it's up to you and your opponent to agree on any rules, but I was wondering how do most players feel about using Imperial Armour stuff, in non Apocalypse games?

I need to get a general conciseness here lol

Generally, if you inform your opponent before having a game, they should be fine with it. The Imperial Armour Apocalypse: Second Edition helped clarify what can be played in normal 40k games with the 40k stamp, but in general if it's not a gargantuan creature, a flier, or has structure points, it's good to go for normal games.

Only telling them mid-game is problematic, and arguably equated to being rather beardy. It's the same as telling your opponent what units you have in your army before you play, compared to mid-game telling him "oh sorry, yeah, this guy's coming in from reserve".

This has been covered numerous times in Dakka Discussions, 40k discussions, and even in the Tournament Discussions area. The most recent one is here. The locked one in the tournament area is here.

bearjrca wrote:
I need to get a general conciseness here lol

Good luck with that.

I don't mind IA as long as there are no D-Weapons or structure points. If you are going to field those let's pull out the APOC book. I do ask that you actually have the model or at least a decent conversion. Putting 3 Ork Dreads on the table and telling me the green one is a Mekka Dread, the red one is a normal dread ect... won't cut it.

My group is fine with everything that isn't a super-heavy or gargantuan creature.

Forge World rules is no more or less balanced than anything you'd find in a codex.

DarknessEternal wrote:My group is fine with everything that isn't a super-heavy or gargantuan creature.

Forge World rules is no more or less balanced than anything you'd find in a codex.

I'd argue most are more balanced.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:I don't mind IA as long as there are no D-Weapons or structure points. If you are going to field those let's pull out the APOC book. I do ask that you actually have the model or at least a decent conversion. Putting 3 Ork Dreads on the table and telling me the green one is a Mekka Dread, the red one is a normal dread ect... won't cut it.

Awesome, that's how felt too but I just wanted to make sure others felt the same way

bearjrca wrote:"Life is the process of dying" - Theodore Voteary 9th

Who is this guy?! I can't find him on anything!

bearjrca wrote:I know as with any rule it's up to you and your opponent to agree on any rules, but I was wondering how do most players feel about using Imperial Armour stuff, in non Apocalypse games?

All depends on you and your opponent. Talk about it upfront before the game starts, not after. Super heavies and gargantuan creatures can be tough to deal with without ample warning to include the things necessary to be able to take them out, especially in smaller point battles. Anything that has no structure points and the like shouldn't cause a problem. In my group I use chaos daemon engines and ogryn berserkers and plague ogryns all the time in normal games. Just be sure the follow the rules for which armies they can be included in and you should be fine.

It is all about communicating ahead of time and everyone having fun while playing. If you out of the blue drop a reaver on the table don't be surprised if you opponent smacks you one.

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bearjrca wrote:I need to get a general conciseness here lol

Why the lol? What's so funny?

IA is great in regular games, as long as you aren't using superheavies.

I think the smirking is because of the other thread, where half of the people in it were of the open mind of "within reason, FW stuff is cool to have in games". But then the other half were adamantly complaining that FW models aren't legal GW models to begin with, and were convinced that including anything from Forgeworld would bring on the real-world apocolypse, because somehow they are more unbalanced than actual GW rules can be.

(You now, like the rules where SW missile launchers are randomly cheaper than SM ones, and a GK army can be built keep a Daemon player from even being able to set up his army and giving the GK player the auto-win.)


Basically, like it's been said before. Gargantuan creatures, superheavies, and flyers are really meant for larger games, where their counterparts can be played, to offset their rules and strengths that really would tend to dominate a smaller battle. They should be left for that. But then again, with their expense, who among us is really ever going to even see one of these models, much less play against it???

There are also some smaller vehicles(like the Land raider Achilles) who's rules are no fun to play against, but aside from those very few, the vast majority of FW stuff are fun things to add to a battle, and are cool to model for your favorite army.

AegisGrimm wrote:There are also some smaller vehicles(like the Land raider Achilles) who's rules are no fun to play against, but aside from those very few, the vast majority of FW stuff are fun things to add to a battle, and are cool to model for your favorite army.

After decades of collecting figs for my armies, they are pretty much complete unless GW adds something interesting in the future. I am now having great fun adding Forge World figues to my armies to give them extra character and just because the models are so darn cool on top of that. My khorne blood slaughters look awesome on the table...that is before they get blown to pieces because they have to go after the enemy and only one of the two I have has a ranged weapon on it. My ogryn berseker figs are just fantastic to look at and fun to use up until the point that their combat drugs start killing them off. Most of the smaller FW pieces are not overtly unbalanced, especially when you take into account, as you said, existing "official" GW army rules that are stupid.

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