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I just took a look at the new terminators, the Tartaros pattern suits, and I personally believe that Forge World made a mistake by making the set. Aesthetics aside, the set seems very limited when it comes to customization - you can't use custom shoulder pads, and it looks to me like the heads might be a part of the chests - so no custom heads, either. Seems like more of a step backward than forward. Thoughts?

I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

Soooooo, have ever held a DKOK commisar? The damn thing set costs like 45ish dollars for 3 and I would pay that all day every day. Those are the single most detailed and exquisite models I have ever seen.

FW may cost a left nut, but damnit, its worth it. I will admit that the new termies are sub par, Id really like to know who sculpted them. Id bet my bottom dollar that Will Hayes or Daren had nothing to do with these things.

I agree, they look nice and all, but they dont do it for me. Also looks like they missed an opportunity for a 'true scale' design, as they appear smaller than the existing terminators.

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

Why the hate ? Forge world has a lot to offer mate, and it's not like there trying to ruin your day or anything :(

The krieg models, especially the commissar and the commander with that coat ( I have a e-boner looking a those models mate ).

Titans ? hello ? They may be dear but there beautiful !

The elysians are nice too ! As are the bunch of special characters they make ! How about all the chapters they cover ?

As for quality control, have you ever actually bought a FW model ? Have you ever had a problem with said model ? Have you ever called client support and told them your problem ?

I HATE mindless hate posts.


Anyway, the terminators are below par I have to admit.... But i wouldnt go as far as pointless. They can be used to represent special characters, or as a command squad. The flamer is just silly tho.

Ill be the first person to admit those things are super weedy, and yeah they missed out on a very good opportunity to make some truelly awesome minis. But this is the first time in while that i havent like a mini that FW made, the arvus lighter what the last one that made me not want to buy FW.

I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

mayfist wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

As for quality control, have you ever actually bought a FW model ? Have you ever had a problem with said model ? Have you ever called client support and told them your problem ?

Forgeworlds resin is literally light years above GW's

mayfist wrote:Why the hate ?

Because I am a terrible, terrible person. Be thankful you are better than me.

Forge world has a lot to offer mate, and it's not like there trying to ruin your day or anything :(

Oh yes, they have ruined my days. They know what they did. *shakes fist at faceless corporate subsidiary*

I HATE mindless hate posts.

Me too. Good thing I gave reasons in addition to my opinion! PHEW.

FW isn't that expensive.

The new terminators ends up costing $47 CDN
while a box of Terminators in Canada costs $60

its scary, I know.... the price difference.

iflywhirlybirds wrote:Forgeworlds resin is literally light years above GW's

I prefer parsecs to explain the distance. Either way, I don't like seeing flashing on supposedly high quality super expensive models. It is against my moral fiber. But this is a tangent, so feel free to ignore me. I am not going to keep yapping about FW in general here.

Have you called customer service, or did you just hop on the "Everything associated with GW is evil" bandwagon?

In Australia it's pretty much cheaper to buy from FW online than it is to buy a box of models from GW in-store.

Groundh0g wrote:In Australia it's pretty much cheaper to buy from FW online than it is to buy a box of models from GW in-store.

That is also true in Canada, and Japan, China, majority of Asia etc etc.

Its sad @_@

The new Terminator models are probably meant to work as a set visually with the new Contemptor dreadnoughts, as they have the same proportions, aesthetics and clean lines. Customization aside, not everyone is happy with the direction GW took the Space Marines over the last ten years or so, adding more and more useless crap to the models such as purity seals, skulls, ammo bandoliers/grenades, NIPPLES, etc. It really started to feel like "Pimp My Chapter" was the order of the day.

By comparison, the Tantalos pattern Terminators and the Contemptor have reintroduced simplicity to the Space Marines, trading useless bling for functionality, and I for one applaud Forge World for it.

Zarryiosiad

I like them, and its a reson why I have more Dkok troopers than I dare to think about. Same goes for the tanks and such.

Alot of people are depressed over the inability to swap shoulder pad.

Just because its not compatible with current shoulder pads,
doesn't mean its not with the future ones. I would love to see more of these termies, especially assault ones YES

calgar 2.5 wrote:Have you called customer service, or did you just hop on the "Everything associated with GW is evil" bandwagon?

Who me? How could you possibly come to the conclusion I hate GW when all I did was complain about their resin? I don't like Forgeworld because I don't like resin in general and I won't pay more for air bubbles and flashing. No I did not call customer service, seeing as how that kind of stuff is expected, from what I understand.

I like their plastics. I don't buy third party models. Everything, absolutely everything I have is from GW. Not that I need to defend myself here. I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

For the first part, I personally like the new patterns for the terminators. It gives people a new variety for the army instead of the stock standard patterns we are used to seeing. Now one can form a unit of slightly different armours to differentiate ones terminator squad by combining elements of the basic patterns, the Greyknight suits, wolf guard, and the Tartaros pattern terminators. You can use part of each element to customize and individualize your terminators.

Now for the second part, which is FW, is worthless and GW is evil, well I will have to place that as a matter of opinion per person. One needs to remember that FW, even though owned my GW, makes great and fun extras for the hobby. I must said that could not look my Black Templars with pride without seeing my FW shoulders pads, Storm Shields, Dreadnought, rhino upgrades, and land raider upgrades in them. FW adds a great new element for hobbyist and gamers. Now, if the price are what are making people made then just do not buy them. You have a choice. I like my models to be flashy and decked out; I convert and use FW to do that. Not everyone has the extra income and I understand that one too. You just cannot condemn a company based on prices and (sometimes-questionable) business practices.

LunaHound wrote:Alot of people are depressed over the inability to swap shoulder pad.

Just because its not compatible with current shoulder pads,
doesn't mean its not with the future ones. I would love to see more of these termies, especially assault ones YES

You actually like these terminators? I guess you are the 2% that does.

ph34r wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Alot of people are depressed over the inability to swap shoulder pad.

Just because its not compatible with current shoulder pads,
doesn't mean its not with the future ones. I would love to see more of these termies, especially assault ones YES

You actually like these terminators? I guess you are the 2% that does.

Oh make no mistake they look nothing like the old GW aesthetics.

But its a nice step towards making a believable working armor with someone actually in it.
E.g try drawing someone suit up in the right side armor.

If that makes me the unfortunate 2% that can see the flaw , so be it ^-^v

LunaHound wrote:

lol @ the termie on the right. I will never look at terminators the same way again.

I don't think they're so bad. They have more realistic proportions than the standard terminator armor, for instance the head is actually higher than the arm sockets, more upright legs. Also more detailing everywhere like you might expect from forgeworld.

They're not works of art, like some other FW stuff. For converters, they make great true-scale marines, the legs especially. Not sure by looking at the pictures, but you could probably swap normal marine arms/shoulder pads, or heads onto these guys and they would fit in more than with a normal terminator.

I guess I'm a weirdo too. I love the things. I never really liked the current terminator design, in fact up until now the only ones I liked dated back to the rouge trader era.

I love 'em also! Bought some just a couple hours ago. Gotta wait till at least april 11 though

Gotta also think of a new army to accomodate them and the contemptor i splurged for. Deathwing? They would look sick in bone.

The Pictured Termi above has the only slighty dodgily posed legs. Also the arms will need adjusting, nothing too major.

This is more how I see it...

It makes sense if the one inside the suit is the orangatan guys from planet of the apes

I like the look of the new terminators. I probably wont get them but if I do it would be as part of another purchase.

I like the supplements that FW offers. The contemptor dreads are so cool and so fun to work with. The books are amazing both for reading material and the new codexes they add. Most will never see wide spread tournament play but if your just playing with friends at your local GW, then do what makes you happiest.

I do have to say that I love seeing peoples reactions when I cut up a FW models for some of my more interesting conversations ideas.

Wasnt the old fluff that the marine in termie armor is actually in the fetal position in the torso, and that the arms and legs are mechanical?