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Milisim wrote:The whole hobby is pointless, like this thread....

If you really think the hobby is pointless, why are you taking the time to post? Secondly, the reason I made this thread was to see what other people thought of the new design, so there is a point to all of this, regardless of your negativity.

Even though I don't like the Tartaros suits, I'm actually glad that there are people who do, because that means FW will actually profit as a company, which also means that they will have funds to make something that I MIGHT like in the future! We all win in the end (hopefully). There have been some really interesting arguments in regards to the proportions, too...in support of the GW models, if a marine were to be hunching over in the suit, the proportions may make sense, but in support of the FW models, I believe that terminators who aren't hunching over in their armor would make a lot more sense.

Besides an order miss-hap (FW sent me a couple Space Wolf novels instead of conversion sets once...I have no idea how), I love Forge World. My Khorne terminators look like actual KHORNE terminators because of the conversion set I got for them. A lot of their HQ models are wonderful as well; I used most of the Lord Zhufor model to create my terminator lord.

What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

I'm incredibly surprised that has yet to happen, they make a bunch of pre-heresy stuff, yet they come up with an entirely new terminator design to model instead of pre-heresy termies...does not compute.

I like them a lot actually. They are mini contemptors pretty much. If they came with a bunch of options and I had the cash I would go that route. I dont think many models are pointless although I think the ones that are worthless on the table start going that direction.

~Casey

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

These ARE pre-Heresy:

"Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently."

They're just not the ugly Cataphract pattern many people expected.

You asked if they were pointless..... As a business that sells models.... how is selling different models pointless?

The fact that you dont like them is irrelevant........


Which is why I said the whole hobby is pointless then, because the whole GW 40k system is designed to SELL MODELS and not make you happy about their deisgn choices.


The reason they offer so many different armies is due to this very fact that people like different things...... much like the new Terminator models..

How does a topic like this get to page 3 without someone posting some pictures (minus some ones that have been scribbled over) ?







At the very least you could have linked to the forgeworld page to make it easier for people.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/TARTAROS_PATTERN_TERMINATOR_ARMOUR.html

They're honestly OK. Not a huge improvement, and I I kind of like them. But I think the plastic terminators from GW look better.

I dont get it, why so much hate on the baby contemptors?

I personally like them and may buy a set at some point.

iflywhirlybirds wrote:
Id really like to know who sculpted them. Id bet my bottom dollar that Will Hayes or Daren had nothing to do with these things.

WIll Hayes sculpted these.

torgoch wrote:

iflywhirlybirds wrote:
Id really like to know who sculpted them. Id bet my bottom dollar that Will Hayes or Daren had nothing to do with these things.

WIll Hayes sculpted these.

Is it too late to get in for a share of all iflywhirlybirds dollars?

ergotoxin wrote:They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

Also, using a helmet-less Terminator for the proportions comparison would be more appropriate.

This. They look like smaller Contemptors, and the only thing I have for the design of the Contemptors is... contempt...

Sorry, just had to use that pun. But yeah, I dislike that contemptor style, it just isn't grim dark gothic future and so on.

Joe Mama wrote:
I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

Then why do you buy any GW at all?

I like the FW terminators. They fit in with what the first gen of terminator modles that came out back in RT. Given the time of the heresy it makes sence that they appear the way they do. It also fits in that terminator is considered a rarity. There is mention that there was a suit of power armor that was developed that was an inbetween the mk IV and the current mark of termintor armor. So, the FW terminators fit into thd fluff and give a visual as to what that armor would look like. It looks like it fits a lot better then the currtent mark of terminator armor and seems to have more range of movement. Only thing that kinda bugs me is no assault cannon. Past that I like them. They just seem to fit into the time of the heresy which had a feel of things being more advanced then the era that was to follow in the time after the great betrayal. Also, being that in the fluff they're rare. It finds a place.

This is the effective status of several posters minds in this thread

Forge world makes bad looking models, Forge World is now completely pointless despite the fact they have developed other models for other ranges and entire new army lists in months while GW takes 12 years to develop a Codex. And this is just one product.

But its also part of 'GW' (Que scary theme), and for that reason, its 'evil' because people on the internet have decided so, and being that a majority of people I don't know and probably will never know have decided to bad mouth a company, I'll have no opinion of my own and whine and bitch over it on many threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand because the internet told me so.

Forgeworld+GW= 'eV@LS' is what I see in this thread.

I like them, they are less hunched and more realistic though they are starting to resemble starcraft marines more and more. I know GW came first but the terminators and marines always had distinct differences to the new arrival of starcraft, till now.



But don't get me wrong I like them they are nicely done, though as of the moment I have no use for new-age termies.

Platuan4th wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

These ARE pre-Heresy:

"Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently."

They're just not the ugly Cataphract pattern many people expected.

Didn't realize what cataphract pattern was, looked it up, if FW made this pattern of armor, that would indeed be pointless. Cataphract is the easiest pattern of T-armor to make. All you need are a pair of dreadnought greaves, so, to this regard, I am actually glad that FW did not go in this direction.

edit:
maybe i spoke too soon...



i think remaking these is a disastrous idea.

The point of this post comes down to one single fact, it is ether you love them or hate them, that simple. Yes GW came first, Yes FW makes models that you can use ether instead of GWs. The corporation is there to make money, evil or no, it’s all about profit. GW wants new gamers so they bring out new and flashy. FW caters to not new or old player, they cater to options.

I legitimately like these terminators.

Sasa0mg wrote:I like them, they are less hunched and more realistic though they are starting to resemble starcraft marines more and more. I know GW came first but the terminators and marines always had distinct differences to the new arrival of starcraft, till now.

Spoiler:

But don't get me wrong I like them they are nicely done, though as of the moment I have no use for new-age termies.

Not quite true, the first termie models were a lot more like the marines are.

I quite like them.

I played deathwing around the end of 3rd -4th and the new terminator kits were a joy to me. I really enjoy the variety and depth that has been contributed to TDA in the last little while, not to mention power armor customization options.

I'd be excited for the bitz and the different poses you get out of them. TDA and PA are supposed to be pretty characterful pseudo relics for some pretty dynamic people, but on the table, without a little work it tends to look pretty factory ordered and flat.

I'd be happier if there were more bitz, and a little more interchangeable, but I like when stuff gets fleshed out a little more.

The upright gate and posture is pretty weird, a lot more GK like or the throne defenders. It's weird, but I do enjoy the variety as I said.

New miniatures are never mistakes. Even if you don't like them, they add more to the universe that we all (mostly all) love. It's more variety, and it means its one more set of minis down between you and whatever you want FW to make.

Im going up to warhammer world on tuesday! so i can ask any questions to the forge world leaders if you want? just PM me...

Sekai wrote:New miniatures are never mistakes. Even if you don't like them, they add more to the universe that we all (mostly all) love. It's more variety, and it means its one more set of minis down between you and whatever you want FW to make.

Are you sure?

imanewb wrote:Im going up to warhammer world on tuesday! so i can ask any questions to the forge world leaders if you want? just PM me...

I'm sure anything we want to ask will have been asked on the Open Day on Sunday.

poda_t wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

These ARE pre-Heresy:

"Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently."

They're just not the ugly Cataphract pattern many people expected.

Didn't realize what cataphract pattern was, looked it up, if FW made this pattern of armor, that would indeed be pointless. Cataphract is the easiest pattern of T-armor to make. All you need are a pair of dreadnought greaves, so, to this regard, I am actually glad that FW did not go in this direction.

edit:
maybe i spoke too soon...



i think remaking these is a disastrous idea.

Obviously not those disgusting gak sacks, but ones that look like pre heresy terminators. With the layered pads, like this guy:

Dear god, MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Two quotes from Forge World which I put in the Tartaros Pattern thread but not here. These are from their Facebook page when they responded to some of the questions.
When asked why they did this rather than Cataphractii-pattern armour:

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

When asked if there would be more "Marks" of Terminator Armour from FW:

Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn't have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

jgehunter wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:
I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

Then why do you buy any GW at all?

Are you serious? What is wrong with GW plastics? The detail is ALWAYS there. It is not smushed or deformed or interrupted by air bubbles. You clip the pieces of the sprue, spend a short while taking off the mold lines on some pieces and boom, you have a perfectly good product, every time.

Joe Mama wrote:

jgehunter wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:
I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

Then why do you buy any GW at all?

Are you serious? What is wrong with GW plastics? The detail is ALWAYS there. It is not smushed or deformed or interrupted by air bubbles. You clip the pieces of the sprue, spend a short while taking off the mold lines on some pieces and boom, you have a perfectly good product, every time.

And since when has Forge World had poor quality control?