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ph34r wrote:This is more how I see it...

Spoiler:

That is an inhuman torso you have pictured... there is no way of getting around it, a normal human shape couldn't fit in terminator armor without being impossible broken/contorted. It's still not the end of the world as this is a miniature and a game and psychological 'optical illusions' come into play. The FW terminators aren't perfect either but at least they have their heads above their shoulders and not pushed outwards. I mean hey, I would love it if everything was perfectly proportioned and scaled but that's just me.

The whole hobby is pointless, like this thread....

These new termie suits are for people interested in them....... Same reason some people play certain armies as opposed to others....

its the choice.............


If you dont like them, Dont buy them..........

FW dosent care.............

and neither does anyone who buys these terminators....

FW isn't pointless.

It's main purpose is to separate people with no idea of how to deal with resin models from their money.

Its other purpose is to serve as a source of nerdrage from the remaining percentage who can deal with resin models, but expect a higher quality of casting than what they get with FW.

As to the suits, they're mon'keigh ugly.

chaos0xomega wrote:Wasnt the old fluff that the marine in termie armor is actually in the fetal position in the torso, and that the arms and legs are mechanical?

No, that was the original dreadnought suit (Chuck, Eddy, Fury), not the TACTICAL dreadnought suit (terminator).

LunaHound wrote:FW isn't that expensive.

Several years ago, this philosophy would have been considered absurd. A few embargoes and price hikes later, we have people thinking Forge World prices are reasonable compared to GW prices.

Absolutionis wrote:

LunaHound wrote:FW isn't that expensive.

Several years ago, this philosophy would have been considered absurd. A few embargoes and price hikes later, we have people thinking Forge World prices are reasonable compared to GW prices.

Its not a matter of opinion anymore

FW Termie are 30 GBP which is $45.8 AUD , a box of GW termies are $74 AUD

Its the pauldron size isnt it :'P we could make it warmachine sized but GW fans hated that xD

The real issue is that the smaller pauldrons expose the bad proportions.

The standard terminators have the head in a far forward position that allows the torso to occupy the space behind it, albeit in a very hunched manner that can't be good for one's fighting stance.

The FW terminators have the head moved back to be directly over the torso.... which means that the torso has to be scrunched down to fit and cannot occupy the space behind the head.

chaos0xomega wrote:Wasnt the old fluff that the marine in termie armor is actually in the fetal position in the torso, and that the arms and legs are mechanical?

Nope, only Dreads.


Anyway - I'm in the 2% that is increasingly too large to fit inside 2% - they look great and I'll pick some up at Salute 2012 in a month

I hate to mention it and all, but you guys are trying to fit humans inside terminator armour...


Space Marines aren't humans, and aren't proportioned in the same way.

GW hasn't really put more crap on their marines. Its when you branch into the other armies that use the base marine. Space wolves and BA along with Chaos. But the great thing about that is. Its easy to remove a bunch of crap from a model, its harder to add good looking detail. I took a space wolf box set and took a knife to it. Now they look like normal marines with more poses. And if you didn't want nipples on your marines. Well that is an easy fix. Forge world as some ok models, The issue with them is that chaos marines have to have a ton of extra crap on them and the marines are getting way to simple. The new termies don't offer a whole lot to the painting scene. Its basically tau redone. The GW termies might be a little off. But i still like them.

While I find Terminators in general to be more annoying than pointless, I've never had problems with Forgeworld that can't be solved with a sharp knife or some hot water - that is to say if we consider the material, gluing it together is another matter.

AG, they don't have the same proportions, no, but they aren't horribly deformed, either, when compared to humans.

ph34r wrote:This is more how I see it...

Nice try, but last time i checked i didnt have giant boney crests on top of my shoulders

Luna's picture is pretty accurate i'm afraid.

Hello,
I think my main problem is the back, it just appears as if they melted a PA backpack there.

Regards,
Carl

They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

Also, using a helmet-less Terminator for the proportions comparison would be more appropriate.

ph34r wrote:This is more how I see it...

Yep thats more like it, and your arms and shoulders should be a little higher, its still miles off and no real improvement from the old ones, the shoulders still come out from the sides of the head.
Must admit i dont really care about whether it has corect posture or not though.

ergotoxin wrote:They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

That's kind of the point of the Contemptor though. It's from a different era of the Imperium.

It's not meant to be an "industrial, mass-produced" piece (which for the record--nor is the regular Dreadnought). It's a work of art intended to venerate a fallen hero and give him a form to continue his fight against the enemies of Mankind.
Terminator and Artificer Armor serve similar purposes for the Astartes. Their wargear is a beloved extension of themselves; they have serfs who would scrabble over each other to work on said wargear.

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

I think you're overlooking one serious detail : FINECAST

FW's quality control is echelons better than GWfinecrap.

Don't like them at all. The shoulder pads are just butt ugly

LunaHound wrote:I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

where's your math boy? I assume we are talking about the tartaros pattern terminator suits, yes? If that's the case, its closer to $60 CAD before shipping.

That said, having compared the terminators, i find the tartaros suits far preferable. The only part that bothers me is the lack of an extra plate on the pauldron, something that hangs down while the arm is low but folds up when the arm is raised. As it happens, that's an easy "fix". The armour does look reminiscent of a dreadnought, but I find this more believable than the mono-posed heads on the standard terminators. They are of identical height to GW terminators, but they don't look hunched over, they look upright, and the proportions look better.

I'm quite fond of them actually. If I had the money or the need for them, i would actually buy them.

as an aside, these look like like easy conversions for SC Terran Marines

edit:
reviewed the images posted above. Both terminators are hunched, but the FW ones do not seem to require a gorrila build, where the head sprouts from a neckless chest. FW 'nators still be hunched, but it be easier on the eyes.

Kanluwen wrote:

ergotoxin wrote:They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

That's kind of the point of the Contemptor though. It's from a different era of the Imperium.

It's not meant to be an "industrial, mass-produced" piece (which for the record--nor is the regular Dreadnought). It's a work of art intended to venerate a fallen hero and give him a form to continue his fight against the enemies of Mankind.
Terminator and Artificer Armor serve similar purposes for the Astartes. Their wargear is a beloved extension of themselves; they have serfs who would scrabble over each other to work on said wargear.

I wasn't talking about the fluff of WK40K, but about art style used.

I'm not convinced by the new look. I always liked the way that you knew a Terminator when you looked at one, whereas these just don;t seem right... Its probably the helmet. Also the fluff is a bit dodgy in that they're supposedly much less restrictive in terms of movement... Apparently this tranlates into the guys having to hold their arms straight out from their body

No running or kneeling or anything, that would be far too dangerous

Also apparently East coast Mainline wireless thinks its in Sweden... weird

I think they look pretty damn boss. Like little tiny Contemptor Dreadnoughts.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

I think you're overlooking one serious detail : FINECAST

FW's quality control is echelons better than GWfinecrap.

Overlooking? The thread was about Forgeworld, who I find to have quality control way below my standards. The fact that Finecast is even worse isn't going to change my opinion of FW.

i think if you were to view them from above {like you would on the table} they would give a more terminatory shape.

i think there great far nicer than the normal tda ..

like how people are complaining about proportion when a normal marine has thighs as thin as his forarms a head over half the size of its torso, arms down to its shins and sholders 3 times wider than its hips ! lol

Milisim wrote:The whole hobby is pointless, like this thread....

These new termie suits are for people interested in them....... Same reason some people play certain armies as opposed to others....

its the choice.............


If you dont like them, Dont buy them..........

FW dosent care.............

and neither does anyone who buys these terminators....

Some people have a real issue with choice here.


They arnt to my personal taste tho.

I myself think they look better. The head at lest is on top of the chest in the new ones and they look like very assault armor to me. All around I myself think they look better then the normal ones.

I like em, if a CC variant comes out, I will buy them.

I personally am not a huge fan of the FW Terminators, but think it's great that there are options out there. I am trying to like them, but I didn't really love the Contemptor pattern dreadnought much either. I appreciate where FW is coming from with the new designs, but I prefer the rivets and skulls look.

To those that love them get them painted up and share pictures. Maybe I'll change my mind if I see painted models.

poda_t wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

where's your math boy? I assume we are talking about the tartaros pattern terminator suits, yes? If that's the case, its closer to $60 CAD before shipping.

Hmmm for some reason I saw it was 30 gbp, its 36 gbp, so $57

2ndly, you misread my sentence.
When I said FW uses opportunities like this to test new designs to how well they are received.
Because making molds for resin to test is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than full scale plastic molds.

LunaHound wrote:

poda_t wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

where's your math boy? I assume we are talking about the tartaros pattern terminator suits, yes? If that's the case, its closer to $60 CAD before shipping.

Hmmm for some reason I saw it was 30 gbp, its 36 gbp, so $57

2ndly, you misread my sentence.
When I said FW uses opportunities like this to test new designs to how well they are received.
Because making molds for resin to test is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than full scale plastic molds.

no, i was just selectively speaking to cost, the rest of my post was a generic response to OP.

And to that regard, now that i had the liberty to read OP's title again.... the answer is: yes, actually, ALL of FW products are completely pointless on that note though, as GW produces cheaper options for most things, and the rules are more readily accessible than FW's rules, etc etc etc... Going on this tangent though, buying from GW is also pointless because i think other manufacturers from other games produce much sexier models....

o each their own though, FW produces a tournament legal alternative model, that's more appealing, or at least, different, and so long as GW and FW take turns releasing models, they keep rolling in the dough, so the point isn't necesarily based on need, rather on customer vanity and the desire to make money.